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Quote: RubyMae - Glamourous Snowdrop at Large @ October 2 2009, 3:08 PM BST

Blood tests are evil but not as evil as a spinal tap or lumber punch :(.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ October 2 2009, 3:09 PM BST

I don't mind blood tests at all. Mr Dagger had a lumber puncture and said it was one of the most awful things.

Quote: zooo @ October 2 2009, 3:18 PM BST

Ha, oops. Yes, epidural. Probably doesn't hurt as much as a lumbar puncture thingy. Ouch.

Spinal taps/lumbar punctures can be pretty nasty when one is awake and it is not performed by an anaesthetist (we're most practiced at them). If they're being used to diagnose meningitis/encephalitis then you're not going to be feeling great in the first place. If they are painful it is usually down to poor technique +/- insufficient local anaesthetic. With experience they shouldn't even be uncomfortable. (Inexperienced operators often spend a lot of time digging the needle into your vertebrae trying to find a space between them.)

Spinal taps can be used as spinal blocks, where an anaesthetic cocktail in injected. This are very quick acting and completely numbs and weakens the leg. For example, in very medically poor patients, I've sometimes had to give a patient just a spinal block and some very mild i.v. sedation to have their leg amputated. They don't feel a thing (the i.v. sedation is just to take the mental stress away). Similarily you can perform hip or knee replacements under just a spinal block.

Epidurals are a bit different. They're always put in by experienced anaesthetists and therefore they're not usually painful procedures. :)

I had a lumber puncture once. Ouch.

Hmm?

Quote: zooo @ October 2 2009, 9:11 PM BST

Hmm?

Is that for me, or Tim?

:)
It was Tim.

Ok, as you were. :D

Quote: Tim Walker @ October 2 2009, 9:09 PM BST

Spinal taps/lumbar punctures can be pretty nasty when one is awake and it is not performed by an anaesthetist (we're most practiced at them). If they're being used to diagnose meningitis/encephalitis then you're not going to be feeling great in the first place. If they are painful it is usually down to poor technique +/- insufficient anaesthetic.

Spinal taps can be used as spinal blocks, where an anaesthetic cocktail in injected. This are very quick acting and completely numb and weaken the leg. For example, in very medically poor patients, I've sometimes had to give a patient just a spinal block and some very mild i.v. sedation to have their leg amputated. They don't feel a thing.

Epidurals are a bit different. They're always put in by experienced anaesthetists and therefore they're not usually painful procedures. :)

Yeah mine was to check for meningitis. I didn't have it in the end. Worth it then... Teary

Quote: Nil Putters @ October 2 2009, 9:12 PM BST

Is that for me, or Tim?

Oh he's edited. All is now making sense.

Quote: RubyMae - Glamourous Snowdrop at Large @ October 2 2009, 9:17 PM BST

Yeah mine was to check for meningitis. I didn't have it in the end. Worth it then... Teary

Mine too.

Quote: zooo @ October 2 2009, 9:19 PM BST

Oh he's edited. All is now making sense.

:D

Mr Dagger's was done by a trainee nurse under instructions from others. Apparently she kept getting it wrong, grating his spine which caused involuntary leg movements. He was a bit embarrassed being only 16 and it was done by a young attractive nurse.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ October 2 2009, 9:20 PM BST

Mr Dagger's was done by a trainee nurse under instructions from others. Apparently she kept getting it wrong, grating his spine which caused involuntary leg movements. He was a bit embarrassed being only 16 and it was done by a young attractive nurse.

Well everyone's got to learn sometime! When you've done over 1000 spinals/epidurals of course... Pleased

Yeah he learnt to join BUPA. :D

They could practice on illegals or homelesses. :)

Quote: zooo @ October 2 2009, 9:25 PM BST

They could practice on illegals or homelesses. :)

That's why they practised on him. :O

Hehe!

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