Quote: Seefacts @ October 7 2008, 8:55 PM BSTI tend to think these people don't know better. But as comedy fans, aficionados, geeks, whatever - we do. We compare what we see to the Curbs, One Foots, Fawltys, Porridges - whatever. And we see just how poor it is. We have wider comedy palette to chose from.
Your point is fair, but Christ almighty, you couldn't have phrased it worse if you'd tried.
I was reading RTDs new book, The Writers Tale, and he was saying about how one of the writers on Doctor Who went on the internet to see what they were saying about her episode, and she was so shocked by the amount of (heres that word again) vitriol that she was actually visibly shaking, that she felt like she'd just been assaulted!
"Daleks In Manhattan" was a bit rubbish.
Quote: Seefacts @ October 7 2008, 8:56 PM BSTDr Who, like comedy generally, has some really intense fans.
F**k yeah. They are the scariest ones I think.
(and no, I don't mean me.)
Quote: Griff @ October 7 2008, 8:53 PM BSTI think Micheal might be making the schoolboy error of "giving two shits what a load of f**king idiots on the Internet think".
Ha! What that raises, though, is how this generation of comedy is the first where the people involved can find out what people on the street think within minutes of it going out.
And less and less 'internet' and 'geeks' are going hand in hand, so they really SHOULD be taking notice.
Quote: Seefacts @ October 7 2008, 8:56 PM BSTDr Who, like comedy generally, has some really intense fans.
I think Sci-fi and comedy are two genres that have perhaps THE most intense/insane fans; and possibly the most difficult to please. Ungrateful lot, all. I include myself in that.
Ha! What that raises, though, is how this generation of comedy is the first where the people involved can find out what people on the street think within minutes of it going out.
And less and less 'internet' and 'geeks' are going hand in hand, so they really SHOULD be taking notice.
I take your point, but I'm not convinced that Internet forums are sufficiently representative of audiences in general. They do attract a certain "sort", geek or not.
Quote: Perry Nium @ October 7 2008, 8:15 PM BSTNote that arrangement of our names, David? PERRY & Bussell? That's the way I likes it. Ooo yeah, I does like it like that. Mmm hmmm babeh, that's right...
Yeah, except your name's not Perry is it? Change your name to Perry Nium and we'll talk. Until then we'll Bussell while we work.... fa la la la la la la.
Quote: Aaron @ October 7 2008, 8:57 PM BSTYour point is fair, but Christ almighty, you couldn't have phrased it worse if you'd tried.
Well, they don't.
It's like those people who said of the Rihanna song 'Umbrella' - "God, it's on all the bloody time!!!" Is it? In all the months that song was around I only heard it four times. Why? Because I've got enough sense to not get spoon fed music through radio, and tend to look elsewhere for songs. These people think Radio 1, and Radio Star Kiss Juice FM or whatever is the only place to seek out music.
Comedy is the same. These people wouldn't dare pick up 15 Storeys or Larry Sanders or something.
Those are standard non-fans.
Quote: Griff @ October 7 2008, 8:57 PM BST"Daleks In Manhattan" was a bit rubbish.
Well, Yeah; but not SO bad. It was only a slightly poor two episodes of Dr Who; not the end of the world.
Quote: Griff @ October 7 2008, 9:00 PM BSTI take your point, but I'm not convinced that Internet forums are sufficiently representative of audiences in general. They do attract a certain "sort", geek or not.
I disagree.
There are some massive forums which is so mainstream it's unreal. And loads aren't geeks, I think that's an outdated idea.
I think it's and easy way of gauging how well a show is doing.
What interests me as well is how many writer do read the net for reviews. Like a sad git I went on to a few forums about School of Comedy (and I only had two sketches, imagine if I'd written a whole show!!) and read what people were saying.
It's quite a big 'thing' - the writers have never been closer to their critics.
I do find it annoying when people come on here and dismiss a new show as 'shit'. If it doesn't work I want to understand what the writers were try to achieve, why the people who backed them thought it would work, and what it is about it that doesn't work (and what does). Any aspiring writer should be looking to learn in this way.
It is much like commenting in Critique - if you are a writer you should be aiming to be constructive in your criticism, not just for the benefit of the poster, but because you might learn something yourself in ordering your thoughts.
(And it can be very much like commenting as writers and producers do read these boards - something you should be aware of, if you want to build relationships with these people.)
On the subject of the BBC not providing enough opportunities, I understand the volume of dross an open door policy would attract, but when I read of the salaries paid out to third rate celebrities, I do wonder if a properly funded script unit might not be a better use of my licence fee. Relying on ambition and persistence is not necessarily the way to attract and develop the best talent.
Well, Yeah; but not SO bad. It was only a slightly poor two episodes of Dr Who; not the end of the world.
True. The End Of The World was a really poor episode.
Quote: David Bussell @ October 7 2008, 9:00 PM BSTYeah, except your name's not Perry is it? Change your name to Perry Nium and we'll talk. Until then we'll Bussell while we work.... fa la la la la la la.
Eeee by gum, Bussell tha' do mek me giggle.
Quote: Timbo @ October 7 2008, 9:05 PM BSTwhen I read of the salaries paid out to third rate celebrities, I do wonder if a properly funded script unit might not be a better use of my licence fee.
Agreed.
Quote: Timbo @ October 7 2008, 9:05 PM BSTRelying on ambition and persistence is not necessarily the way to attract and develop the best talent.
But (aside from talent) those are the most important qualities of any writer, no?
Quote: Griff @ October 7 2008, 9:06 PM BSTTrue. The End Of The World was a really poor episode.
True dat.
Quote: Griff @ October 7 2008, 9:06 PM BSTTrue. The End Of The World was a really poor episode.
I bet you gave yourself a little pat on the back after typing that. 
Quote: Griff @ October 7 2008, 6:21 PM BST...rarely found among more established writers, who know just how hard it is to get anything commissioned, never mind create a show which is universally liked or respected...
I think some of you guys who have submitted stuff to the BBC know how hard it is to get commissioned, thus leaving you scratching your heads at 2 Pints and the like.
Anytime I've ever posted something negative about a show there is a response with a positive, so BSG seems to even itself out over time. Hell, some people even like 2 Pints.