If it turned out that God does exist.. Page 7

Quote: Skibbington von Skubber @ September 18 2008, 11:24 AM BST

Iz all abouts de controlling of vone's thoughts and veelings.

Ven ve ask "Does God exist?" ve are declaring ve are lost in our wittle whirls and seemingly have no controls over own our happiness, peace, health, and prosperity.

Das a fun game, yah?
You know who and what you are unequivocally and then intentionally dive into a game of mystery whereupon you will forget who and what you are. Eventually you will experience pain and confusion and frustration which will spurn you to figure out what's going on. Without pain you would not bother to ask what the f**k is going on. The pain will cause you to look beyond the surface, beyond the television/traditional points of view, and you will see that YOU are the only one who could ever be the cause of your pain.

Everyone becomes a philosopher sooner or later. Everyone eventually seeks and finds enlightenment.

Love always finds a way. ALWAYS.

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I broadly agree with you, Skib.

Frankie xxx

How goes it, mate?

Quote: Huge Bear @ September 18 2008, 11:36 AM BST

What is "truth"? Question originally posed by Pontius Pilate to Jesus. You might have to take sides.

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I have. I'm on my side.

Quote: Huge Bear @ September 18 2008, 11:36 AM BST

What is "truth"? Question originally posed by Pontius Pilate to Jesus. You might have to take sides.

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I think that exchange only actually occurs in 'Jesus Christ Superstar', which is slightly Bibically inaccurate.

Quote: Tim Walker @ September 18 2008, 1:39 PM BST

I think that exchange only actually occurs in 'Jesus Christ Superstar', which is slightly Bibically inaccurate.

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Dorothy L Sayers - The Man Born To Be King predated Superstar by 30 years, and although she's known for detective fiction was also deeply religious and wrote extensively on Christian humanism. The best known example but by no means the only one.

Isn't there a branch of the American military that has truth in it's motto?

Quote: chipolata @ September 18 2008, 2:09 PM BST

Isn't there a branch of the American military that has truth in it's motto?

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Superman?

Actually, John 18:38

Wasn't it the prophet Hadaway? Who asked.

What is love?

Hmm Curt I wrote a skit on excatly what you seem to be posting about supes.

Quote: sootyj @ September 18 2008, 2:19 PM BST

Wasn't it the prophet Hadaway? Who asked.

What is love?

Hmm Curt I wrote a skit on excatly what you seem to be posting about supes.

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I believe he also asked for his baby not to hurt him, not to hurt him...no more.
so beautiful.

Quote: sootyj @ September 18 2008, 2:19 PM BST

Wasn't it the prophet Hadaway? Who asked.

What is love?

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(Haddaway*)

I had a profit once...

I'm siding with Ian in this debate at the mo. I can't believe that we are in possession of the truth whenever we choose to confront and answer a question. The reason being how often have we thought something to be true and then worked out (or been shown) that it's wrong. This doesn't even apply to just the big questions in life.

Say, as has often happened to me, I believe the day is Friday, and then I pick up the newspaper and find it has Thursday printed on it. How can the truth, as I believed it, now still be possible? It's either Friday or Thursday. Either I'm wrong or the newspaper staff are wrong. Yet if we both believe we're right what is the truth? Either the universe is constantly morphing at the whim of our individual human belief systems or it is independent of humanity and what we choose to believe.

From personal experience (as above), some truth is absolute and never changes despite what I or others think. Believing the world is flat is not going to create a flat world where a previously round world existed or even parallel universes where the world is both flat and round.

To balance this, some 'truth' appears to vary from person-to-person. As an example: Some believe Marxism is good, some believe it to be evil. It's not so much a case of Marxism being qualitatively different to the two camps (if both have read the same book then the doctrines they've read are exactly identical) but it's the perception of marxism that's the difference. In this instance of variable 'truth' we're seeing subjective bias. We CHOOSE to believe or disbelieve something. Sometimes it's based on absolute truth, sometimes not.

Humans are very good at forgeting what is an absolute or subjective truth (that is truth they've chosen to believe either because of, or despite, the absolute truth). It suits us to believe that everything we hold true is derived from cold hard fact, and we conveniently ignore the huge gaps and leaps where we've made choices made on personal bias and the bias of others that believe the same as ourselves. This holds equally true of the fors and againsts in any argument. Science v Religion; Left wing v Right wing; Carnivore v Vegan; wallpaper v emulsion.

Cor, I love you, slag.

that's deep man. Word.

Fair comment SlagA.

I don't like SlagA. His posts are too long to read. *shakes fist*