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Quote: DaButt @ August 30 2008, 1:18 AM BSTI'm not an atheist, but I'm not sure where I fit in with the remainder.
Plus if you're an Athiest in America you get beaten to death with some sort of blunt object.
I'm an Athiest - it takes so much pressure off!
To see belief in God as a sign of personal weakness dismisses the countless people in history who chose (and still choose) to die for their beliefs (I'm talking of the passive martyr sense as oppossed to the weird aggression of the suicide-bomber concept). I'm sure many of those martyrs would have found the weak cowardly easy option to be compromise of their belief system rather than face lions, torture, crucifiction, etc.
To see belief in God as a sign of intellectual capacity or incapacity is misleading. Some of the world's leading intellects held / hold a belief in God. Some didn't. So brain capacity isn't a factor when it comes to convictions or belief systems. While science has claimed adherents, it hasn't been a one-way street, there have been converts in both directions but neither side advertises their 'losses'. For quite a few people, science and religion are not mutually exclusive as some leading scientists have a faith.
To be a theist, atheist, or agnostic requires faith. Even a belief in the negative needs a step of faith in the abscence of proof either for or against. It's holding a belief in something that is unprovable (or incomprehensible) to our thankfully finite minds given our current scientific / philosophical / spiritual knowledge.
Frankie's approach of active apathy of course requires no faith. 
I did have a Christian friend that made my skin tingle unpleasantly but as the doctor explained to me later it was only the onset of a stroke.
Quote: SlagA @ August 30 2008, 5:24 PM BSTTo see belief in God as a sign of personal weakness dismisses the countless people in history who chose (and still choose) to die for their beliefs (I'm talking of the passive martyr sense as oppossed to the weird aggression of the suicide-bomber concept). I'm sure many of those martyrs would have found the weak cowardly easy option to be compromise of their belief system rather than face lions, torture, crucifiction, etc.
To see belief in God as a sign of intellectual capacity or incapacity is misleading. Some of the world's leading intellects held / hold a belief in God. Some didn't. So brain capacity isn't a factor when it comes to convictions or belief systems. While science has claimed adherents, it hasn't been a one-way street, there have been converts in both directions but neither side advertises their 'losses'. For quite a few people, science and religion are not mutually exclusive as some leading scientists have a faith.
To be a theist, atheist, or agnostic requires faith. Even a belief in the negative needs a step of faith in the abscence of proof either for or against. It's holding a belief in something that is unprovable (or incomprehensible) to our thankfully finite minds given our current scientific / philosophical / spiritual knowledge.
Frankie's approach of active apathy of course requires no faith.
Yeah basically, science can only explain so far, I believe there is a higher (god like) entity, For everything to be as it is to make life is literally billions to one if not more!
And I don't think religion has it right, religion starts wars - I've read a lot of The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, he puts a good case forward.
Quote: Paul W @ August 30 2008, 5:30 PM BSTI've read a lot of The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins.
I thought that was Dawkins' autobiography?
Didn't Dawkins' kill all the Dodos?
Quote: SlagA @ August 30 2008, 5:32 PM BSTI thought that was his autobiography?
Haha no, basically a book colating info from other Athiest type books and also putting forward cases that religion isn't always a good thing and how its roots can be tracked back and how it's not always so clean cut. Very good book, but can be a tough read.
As Bill Bailey would say: "You need a fair few Pringle Sandwiches, crush crush, munch munch"
Richard Dawkins is the most famous atheist who's pissed off with God.
Hey if we get a latter-day Jesus Christ and we send him to the electric chair do you think Christians will have little chairs around their necks?
I'll check it out. I know one of the other Slaggs was reading it.
Quote: oldcowgrazing @ August 30 2008, 5:35 PM BSTRichard Dawkins is the most famous atheist who's pissed off with god.
Hey if we get a latter-day Jesus christ and we send him to the electric chair do you think christians will have little chairs around their necks?
He's not pissed off he just does well making a career out of blaming religion for a lot of baed things in the world, which at the state of affairs at the minute, religion is to blame really.
You can't be pissed off with something that doesn't exist.
Quote: zooo @ August 30 2008, 5:39 PM BSTYou can't be pissed off with something that doesn't exist.
Try telling the Middle East that.
If when we're called upon to account for our lives, knowing that God knows we never believed it existed, would it help if we told it that at the very least we were calling its name when cumming. Or would it be that blasphemous?
I mean no offence I'm just trying to understand stuff.
I think he/she/it would be flattered.
Quote: zooo @ August 30 2008, 5:39 PM BSTYou can't be pissed off with something that doesn't exist.
Well yes but he does seem to have a lot of beef. He needs to breath a little.