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Quote: Aaron @ August 11 2008, 2:08 PM BSTBut then how can those opinions be challenged and shown by the learned, to the as-yet-unlearned (well, students and children, basically), to be a load of f**king bollocks?
Also: Here in Germany a lot of things associated with the Hitler regime are banned (words, signs, clothes). Which is sooo stupid, because now you actually have to listen to what Nazis say in order to identify them. Why not let them run around in uniforms and be laughed at? The bans actually protect those people!
This applies to other stupid people, too: If they're censored they'll probably just try to repackage their message, so in the worst cases you'd have to bother making a literary analysis before noticing someone's an idiot (that's also where the dangers of harshly enforced political correctness lie).
Edit: Bugger. We've proceeded to tits already. I'm too slow for this board.
Quote: Finck @ August 11 2008, 2:18 PM BSTAlso: Here in Germany a lot of things associated with the Hitler regime are banned (words, signs, clothes). Which is sooo stupid, because now you actually have to listen to what Nazis say in order to identify them. Why not let them run around in uniforms and be laughed at? The bans actually protect those people!
Yes, it has always greatly disturbed me that it is actually illegal to portray, mention, and discuss certain things, or indeed to refuse to believe the Holocaust.
Quote: Finck @ August 11 2008, 2:18 PM BST(that's also where the dangers of harshly enforced political correctness lie).
Quite.
I like the nazi uniform. More men running around in it, I say...
Okay, what I mean is in extreme cases.
There's that far right religious nut in America, is it Phelps? He pickets gay (or whoever) people's funerals and shouts and waves signs, at people's funerals.
And sometimes the police won't move them on, because it's his right to protest or whatever. When they could easily claim he was disturbing the peace or something.
That's f**king RIDICULOUS.
It's fine to 'censor' him in that situation. I can't agree with anyone who argues it isn't.
I'm anti censroship, but what if this radio station was banned?
There's a gap between censorship is wrong and hate speech is ok.
I think I'm more bothered by what people read then whay they write.
I mean I read the Leuter Report and some of David Irvings stuff.
But I'd be concerend by some one who only read them.
Journalism and Genocide
A landmark case in Rwanda raises the issue: Can words kill? How much press freedom is too much?
BY DINA TEMPLE-RASTON
To understand why three journalists from Rwanda are on trial for war crimes, one must know that, in rural areas of that country, radio is king. The first thing Africans buy when they get a job is a radio. Even the poorest families haunt their neighbors' houses to catch snatches of government newscasts. "In Rwanda, the radio has become like the voice of God, telling people what to do," says Mary Kimani, a Kenyan journalist.
In 1994 the voices coming through the radio urged the killing of the Tutsi minority. "Rwandans didn't question. They acted," says Kimani, and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Tutsis — and moderate Hutu — followed. Now, almost a decade later, some of the men behind those voices are on trial before a United Nations tribunal in Tanzania for their provocative words. With evidence of massacre still visible in a ruined landscape, emotions continue to run high. Yet, for the international media there is another issue: Can words kill? Should media executives be sentenced to life in prison for broadcasts and articles they sponsored, and thereby set a legal precedent that some fear could haunt free speech around the world?
Quote: zooo @ August 11 2008, 2:26 PM BSTOkay, what I mean is in extreme cases.
There's that far right religious nut in America, is it Phelps? He pickets gay (or whoever) people's funerals and shouts and waves signs, at people's funerals.
And sometimes the police won't move them on, because it's his right to protest or whatever. When they could easily claim he was disturbing the peace or something.
That's a whole extended family. They're mental. I blame their constitution.
Have shortened it and will put a link in to the rest of the article.
Quote: Aaron @ August 11 2008, 2:58 PM BSTThat's a whole extended family. They're mental. I blame their constitution.
So can we put sellotape over their mouths please? Thanks.
Quote: zooo @ August 11 2008, 3:01 PM BSTSo can we put sellotape over their mouths please? Thanks.
They really and truly believe what they say. To the point of facing isolation, humiliation and violence.
They start protesting military funerals (their reasons were truly bizarre), and got assaulted on numerous occaisons.
Also they're a little less vile than a radio station that actively supported the murder of millions.
Quote: sootyj @ August 11 2008, 3:06 PM BSTAlso their a little less vile
they're* 
Corrected already Gram-master.
Damn all these words keep getting away from me.
Yay! He's changed his avatar!
The flying spaghetti monster will curse you with his terrible meat balls for taking his name in vein.
Quote: Griff @ August 11 2008, 3:14 PM BSTAnd *occasions*
Aaron just think for a moment. You can still stop this madness. The term "rod for your own back" doesn't begin to describe the task you are setting yourself.
I'm going to give it a damn good go.