Quote: EllieJP @ January 20 2010, 1:36 PM GMTWould they only be premonitions if they came true, because that's a LOT of different ways of dying. My imagination is too wild.
If you believe in the multiverse, then we could all die an infinite number of ways in an infinite number of universes.
Quote: chipolata @ January 20 2010, 9:04 AM GMTGet religion. The idea of an afterlife really takes the sting out of death.
But look at all the war and death caused by religion, I might get blown up on a train or something!
Quote: chipolata @ January 20 2010, 3:02 PM GMTIf you believe in the multiverse, then we could all die an infinite number of ways in an infinite number of universes.
And in all those infinite universes, I'd still be an untalented jackass. 
Quote: David Carmon @ January 20 2010, 3:08 PM GMTI might get blown on a train or something!
Ooh, saucy!
I actually said blown up, you, you re-editor you!
Quote: SlagA @ January 20 2010, 2:58 PM GMTYes, but that's kinda my point. Once you're gone, all that life can offer is immaterial. How you spent your life becomes irrelevant. If I believe that there is nothing beyond life but still strive to collect memories, love, or achieve ambition then I've failed to understand the impact of my belief in nothingness. I'm still trying to sneak the notion of permanence into a state of non-being.
What happened here is utterly disconnected from you. It's not that it would seem as if it never happened (because that still implies memory of what happened here), it's (to each individual) that this life never happened.
Well yeah I agree that life doesn't have much to offer the non-living. But how you spent your life doesn't become irrelevant to the people still alive, only to you. All the inventors, artists, writers, humanitarians, and such have progressed our species and improved a lot of peoples lives even though they're long gone. I don't think striving for love, memories, ambition etc means you have failed to understand the impact of your belief in nothingness. Maybe it means you can hold two opposing ideas in your head at once. Or maybe it means that I don't understand what you are saying as you use long words and proper sentences. 
If I knew I was going to die in a few minutes though I would be gutted that I'd be leaving all this behind. Except maybe Hollyoaks, I f**kin' hate Hollyoaks
Quote: David Carmon @ January 20 2010, 3:13 PM GMTI actually said blown up, you, you re-editor you!
I was being a cheeky so and so! Feel free to edit my posts to make me look dirty!
Quote: David Carmon @ January 20 2010, 3:08 PM GMTBut look at all the war and death caused by religion, I might get blown up on a train or something!
Even in extreme Islamic beliefs, it's true to say that it's more a perversion of the main doctrines to suit certain groups' current political objectives.
Rather than wars being caused by religious men following their faith, it's more a case of irreligious men disobeying their faith. Most wars were never fought over particular interpretations of a sacred text but land, money, resources, power. The religious flag is easy to raise when you need to attract people to fight for you. The guilt for every war lies at mankind's door, not a God or the gods.
Quote: john lucas 101 @ January 20 2010, 3:16 PM GMTI was just thinking of your peachy cheeks! Feel free to sit next to me on a train and make me look dirty!
Ok done!
Quote: chipolata @ July 22 2008, 11:28 AM GMT
This reminds me of that line in the Office where Tim gets the inflatable penis from Dawn and lee for his birthday and he says; "It's just like mine except mine's tiny but it is made of plastic." And Chipol- Gareth says mine isn't and it's massive. 
Quote: David Carmon @ January 20 2010, 3:08 PM GMTBut look at all the war and death caused by religion, I might get blown up on a train or something!
Seneca: "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."
Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate: "Religion...With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion."
Oh no what have I started?!
I must be wise then
Quote: David Carmon @ January 20 2010, 3:19 PM GMTOk done!
I certainly have been!
Quote: scratchyr @ January 20 2010, 3:24 PM GMTSeneca: "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."
Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate: "Religion...With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion."
Agree with Seneca's observation, although I find it really amusing that anyone famous who makes a wise v stupid comparison (on any subject) never explicitly identifies themselves with the stupid camp.
But Weinberg, I'd say it's not man's adherence to their religion that makes them do evil things, it's their inability to adhere to the principles that's the problem.
Which has started me thinking: Has anyone ever wondered if religion is a purely man-made concept, why the founders then set the required standards to impossible levels? Surely, someone must have thought "Hang on, guys, we need a bit of leeway here or no one's going to get in."
Quote: SlagA @ January 20 2010, 3:32 PM GMTI'd say it's not man's adherence to their religion that makes them do evil things, it's their inability to adhere to the principles that's the problem.
Some truth in that but have you read the old testament? Scary stuff for non Christians.