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Wow. This thread is snow balling (incidentally this was the 666th thread to be posted on the site... ohh err... not that I'm superstitious mind).

I think imposing a 60 limit might be a little stifling - thinking back to my favourite sketches of all time, most come in at between 1 and 2 minutes long. Maybe the guideline should just be something like "short and snappy - no waste".

SlagA - there was a BBC3 standup show called something like 60 acts, 60 seconds - maybe a bit close to your suggested title? Anyway, lets not worry about the title yet, least of our worries!

re: another thread - I was going to start one but things seem to be flowing here. If another thread is wanted someone do go ahead and do so. (Alternatively I have the option or re-naming this thread and moving it if it is of any help).

Well I have an exam tomorrow, but after that I was thinking of going through this thread and making another with a summary in it. Just to keep things concise. I can still do that if people want?

Quote: Mark @ January 30, 2007, 8:35 PM

I have the option or re-naming this thread and moving it if it is of any help.

I think that is a most excellent idea.

Probably easier. Although then we would still have this mish mash of ideas. I'll make a new thread tomorrow Mark to try and organise stuff

I'll open a thread for people to sign in their names only so we can get a clue on numbers.

Done - I pinned it in Writers' Discussion - a more apt forum for the nature of this thread. Just append a small message so we can see how many and who.

Cheers SlagA. I'll have a summary thread done for tomorrow if that's ok? Perhaps you could pin that just below it or something?

yep, just open the thread in the Writers' forum and i'll pin it.

Thanks SlagA and Tom sounds like a good plan!

With regards the length of the sketch, if everyone agrees they should be 60 seconds I'll role with that, however I think perhaps each sketch should be judged on merit. Also, people could have a really good idea and may struggle to cut it down, and therefore not submit it. Whereas, as we've seen throughout the critique forum, a few words of wisdom here, or view from "outside the box" and an average sketch can be transformed into a great one. Or long one made shorter. You see what I'm getting at.

You don't view the forums for a while, and hey presto all hell breaks loose (in a good way, rather than other e-mountains of mayhem)!
I love the idea of pooling the collective quality of this site. We have it in us! I'm already voting for whatever the smoking sketch was that started this off, and Shoe Pie's office-based watercooler sentence length argument (despite Charlie's disappointment with its vulgar pay off).
Anyway, back on track - I will check out the other thread of interest, but I make these observations meanhile:
- what is the purpose of all this? if it's to get together a decent 15 min showreel of talent, then we don't need a theme or a whole multitude of sketches, but we do need them to be good. If it's to get together a pilot sketch show idea then we need a theme or idea or something that sets us apart
- I agree with the Slag (I always love saying that) that sketches should be as short as poss. But I don't agree they should all be short. I'm all for a variety of interior-exterior/quickie-short-longer sketches. easier to view.
- Not keen on character based stuff myself, but some of you will no doubt prove me wrong
- Voting: here's the rub. I really really really don't think this can be done by committee. If we are going to vote, I'd rather vote for a couple of script editors to have ultimate call on stuff and leave em to it.
- deadline: depends on the ultimate output. Best sketches showreel much shorter than pilot idea for new sketch show.
Right, that's me done with more than I've ever written on here before. Though I'm still thinking I should have written "fora" back in the opening sentence.

Script editors are a good idea.

Another idea for the pot: Badge rightly suggests that some sketches here have been transformed by the 'committee' throwing in ideas. Off top of head Monolis' 'Dog alone in house' sketch was transformed from confused and below par (because of the surrounding confusion) into a new level by several suggested ideas. Although the idea of 'committee' could have negative connotations, it may be positive too. At this stage we can keep all options open until we settle on a distinct shape / format etc

Some ideas for the pot:

Maybe create a pool solely for submissions: if a sketch is agreed to be worthy (by a method yet to be decided), it goes through but if it is below or not quite there, perhaps move it to a holding pool where others can pitch ideas and let's see if the sketch can transform into a new level and make the cut. If at the end of a rewrite, it still isn't there or the original author disagrees with the suggestions, we can bump it off the list.

What about another theme idea. (think taking the 'committee' to a new tangent here) Each show has many different sketches BUT in amongst them we have one short sketch set-up and then each writer pitches a short different end to the set-up? (Variations on a theme in art terms) For example, the number of better cat on passenger seat endings that were suggested (it also happened with a few of the 'committee' possible ends to sitcom-er sketches in this forum). We can also interactive this bit and have viewers vote on the best end. This has to be short and sweet tho. And the TV people love phone-ins (ching ching)

I would still tend to the idea of each writer getting something in, even if it was agreed that a rewrite or a script editor had to overhaul it. The reasons I'm keen on this:

Equity. If everyone is going to get something in, then possible grumbles of 'fix' aren't going to be well-founded. If a writer is excluded, there will be grumbles.

Subjectivity - What's funny for us, isn't funny to everyone else. How often has a pool of writers agreed that this line is a 'zinger' and the audience thought it was a minger? Just look in the Sitcom discussion threads for examples. We'll be just as capable of making the same errors of 'judgement'

Diversity - every style, and taste, represented by the pool will appear at some point. It'll increase our chances of hitting everyone's funny bone at some point in the pilot. If it's all surreal or all Character then we'll narrow our chances.

Perhaps if a rejected writer is told that if they can rewrite a sketch at under a suggested time / length (or agree to a script edit) then it'll go in. We can think of more elegant solutions to accomodate everyone.

All of us on this forum are now known to each other. Most of the names in this thread have been here for a while, and in the case of newbies they were in on the forum before the show idea grew. However, I think we need to restrict new guys, or put them through a pool submission stage until they've demonstrated stickability. We don't want floods of new people signing up to Sitcom just because they've heard that there's the potential carrot on the end of a sketch show stick.

The summary is complete, it's in the writer's forum

Good 1

Right, this idea is dead and waiting on this mystery "new" idea which I don't even know about so I'm closing all sketch show threads.

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