Pledging allegiance to the Queen? Page 4

Quote: Aaron @ March 12, 2008, 3:15 PM

And you don't get access, directly or otherwise, to any of the taxes taken from the tourists who come here to see them. Woops, there goes the NHS!

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Why wouldn't we?

What makes you think that they would generate no income liable to VAT, Income Tax, NI payments, Business rates, council tax et al. Why would privitsing put them outside of the Inland Revenues reach... I would imagine that we would infact make more from them if they were properly taxed than we do at the moment with this, pay what you think is fair Ma'am....

kjs

Unlike countries such as Australia we are independent.The Queen's role in Canada is much different then she is in your country; she might be our head of state but Canada has full sovereignty status. Look up the Constitution Act of 1982 and you'll see what I'm talking about.
And in all honesty who knows how much longer it will last after the Queen passes. We do have royalists left, just not very many.

Well, it could be worse. The Americans pledge allegiance to their flag. Now, pledging allegiance to the President I can understand, but I tend to find that pieces of cloth are not really able to understand the concept of Patriotism.

THE SCROUNGERS AND HANGERS-ON RAKE IT IN,

THE following snouts are buried deep in the Royal Trough. as the Duchy of Lancaster provides the Queen with a private investment fund of shares which give her an income of about £6m a year which she hands out to her family as follows
To Prince Andrew £249,000
To the Princess Royal £228,000
To Prince Edward £96,000
To Princess Alexandra £225,000
To the Duke of Kent £236,000
To the Duke of Gloucester £175,000
Now that Prince Edward has given up trying to play on the Royal name with his unsuccessful TV company Ardent, he will, no doubt expect to be paid more than his paltry £96,000, but that will be no problem as Princess Margaret popping off has freed up £219,000 a year allowing adjustments to be made.
It has to be said that the Royal Family have made real savings in recent times hiring green tents rather than white ones for garden parties and even remembering to turn off the lights now and again. Giving up the Royal Yacht and burying the Queen Mother has also helped but, isn’t it time that we called a halt to the Civil List (public money) giving £350,00 a year to the racist reactionary known as the Duke of Edinburgh.

Not my words but as far as I'm concerned certainly barks up the right tree. Viva la Revolution!

Quote: bushbaby @ March 12, 2008, 10:32 AM

It's so we all feel part of the same country not segregated.

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Is that why the royals live in palaces guarded by the army?

Quote: James Williams @ March 12, 2008, 1:56 PM

I actually think it's quite a nice idea. What harm does it do?

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Apart from institutionalising injustice? Not alot.

Quote: ajp29 @ March 12, 2008, 4:17 PM

Apart from institutionalising injustice? Not alot.

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I would pledge the queen. I would give the posho a can of Pledge polish & a duster & tell her to clean her own f**king castle. Lazy bitch.
My son had to do it. I hated that bit, but he was cool with it. I suppose if he is cool I should be too. I am not though.

I remember going to my local cinema when I was young and they played the National Anthem after the film. Needless to say a percentage of the audience shuffled out rather quickly and a section remained standing. What a load of nonsense.

As for Parliament. Well, Guy Fawkes had the right idea about it.

Quote: Charley @ March 12, 2008, 6:56 PM

My son had to do it. I hated that bit, but he was cool with it. I suppose if he is cool I should be too. I am not though.

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The thing you must remember Charley, is that it's only the royalty-haters (like yourself) who see it as a direct pledge, oath or promise to the Queen herself, as an individual. To everyone else, it's what she represents (and no Adam, not represents the crushing of the workers or whatever bollocks you're about to come out with). I'm pretty sure that for your son, it's more a case of the monarch representing values and so on and so forth - numerous different things - in one. Much easier than a lengthy point-by-point promise to protect and uphold a, b, c, d ... y, z, etc.

And yes, I'm well aware that he probably had to say something literally along the lines of "I will protect Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the second with my own life". But it's only so in terms of her being a focalpoint for the values and way of life which the military are meant to protect. Well I'm sure you can tell what I'm getting at anyway.

Quote: Nigel Kelly @ March 12, 2008, 7:42 PM

and a section remained standing. What a load of nonsense.

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Oh my god, how embarrassing. Did they salute too?

I just looked at flights to Fort Lauderdale, they're only £211 return but with an added £161 for global warming tax. So, if I don't fly, will that make a difference. Like hell/jackshit it will, it's a con, day light robbery. Where's the 'rage' icon? <rage><rage>

Quote: Aaron @ March 12, 2008, 7:45 PM

The thing you must remember Charley, is that it's only the royalty-haters (like yourself) who see it as a direct pledge, oath or promise to the Queen herself, as an individual. To everyone else, it's what she represents (and no Adam, not represents the crushing of the workers or whatever bollocks you're about to come out with). I'm pretty sure that for your son, it's more a case of the monarch representing values and so on and so forth - numerous different things - in one. Much easier than a lengthy point-by-point promise to protect and uphold a, b, c, d ... y, z, etc.

And yes, I'm well aware that he probably had to say something literally along the lines of "I will protect Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the second with my own life". But it's only so in terms of her being a focalpoint for the values and way of life which the military are meant to protect. Well I'm sure you can tell what I'm getting at anyway.

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I'm sorry... my head has just exploded from the double think logic of that post.

this is the oath used by the army...

All soldiers must take an oath of allegiance upon joining the Army, a process known as "attestation". Those who believe in God use the following words:

“ I swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors and that I will as in duty bound honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty, her heirs and successors in person, crown and dignity against all enemies and will observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, her heirs and successors and of the generals and officers set over me."

http://www.qmmemorial.gov.uk/output/Page4698.asp

It's not a metaphore for a greater idea, or a symbolic oath meant to incompass other things, it is what it is, end of.

kjs

Quote: KJSmyling @ March 12, 2008, 8:20 PM

It's not a metaphore for a greater idea, or a symbolic oath meant to incompass other things, it is what it is, end of.

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I disagree.

And even if it is that, I don't support it any less. Probably more.

But where does that leave those of us that believe that the monarchy is an anachronism that has no place place in the 21st century.

kjs

Up shit creek without a paddle?