Race. Society. Prejudice. PC. Page 28

Quote: Kenneth @ April 22 2009, 7:45 AM BST

Is Britain really moving toward the path of totalitarianism?

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Yes. Fast.

Quote: sootyj @ April 22 2009, 8:14 AM BST

The nurse worked with vulnerable people in their own homes. I'd as a none Christian find that menacing and overbearing. Sacking her may have been an overstatement but it was a legitimate grievance.

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If you're serious about that, then you're roughly in-line with Gordon Brown on the sanity scale.

Quote: Kenneth @ April 22 2009, 9:15 AM BST

The article doesn't say the show itself was banned, it says the episode was banned.

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'Show' can be used in reference to individual episodes, not just a collective series.

Oh, and Jack Straw is - sadly - one of the lesser-mentalists in the Government.

Flip it around Aaron how'd you feel if it was mum and it was a fundamentalist Muslim nurse who wanted to pray with her?

And like I say sacking her was too much.

NHS Trusts can be maddeningly, blindingly right on.

Shit on the floor, toxic levels of drugs and people starving who cares.

A religious person gets over exited and out they go.

Quote: sootyj @ April 22 2009, 11:32 AM BST

Flip it around Aaron how'd you feel if it was mum and it was a fundamentalist Muslim nurse who wanted to pray with her?

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*shrug* As I said before...

Thing is both would disturb me and for that matter the same would apply if they were Jewish.
There's a diference between complaining about over reaction and saying people have no right to be offended.
Isn't that sort of obvious?

If a nurse offered to pray for me if I was ill, I'd know the NHS had really gone down the pan if that was the best they could do for me! However, it would be inappropriate behaviour on her behalf - I don't care what religion she is, it has nothing to do with my health, and for her to introduce it is similar to those religious people who turn up on doorsteps on Sunday mornings trying to convert you. Essentially she is promoting her religion.

Except you're in bed and helpless and your saying no to the person who may be feeding you giving you drugs or washing you.

I mean on the same principle suppose she offered to talk to you about how Gordon Brown could save your soul?

No, I don't agree with her actions. But instead of being sacked she should be requested to refrain from doing this in future.

Quote: Bad dog @ April 22 2009, 11:44 AM BST

No, I don't agree with her actions. But instead of being sacked she should be requested to refrain from doing this in future.

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I was msot amused by the policing of the Tamil protests, with the police going ultra softly, softly after the G20 protests.

Over or rather unbalanced reactions to complaints is really damaging to public services.

I don't understand the problem. If someone offers to pray for you, then that's up to their conscience/beliefs. Why would you mind? If you're an atheist then you can't believe that it's going to do any difference. It doesn't involve you doing anything. A polite "No thank you" is all that's needed. Whoever objects and complains is showing remarkable intolerance.

Did they have their ID badges on? Funny how the govt wants us to have ID cards yet the police can take their ID badges off.

I think they have numbers on their helmets.

And the nurse was suspended pending an investigation, standard practise if there is a complaint (or in this case an assumed complaint).

I doubt she'll get sacked.

Some aetheists and none Christian believers do find the idea of prayers offered on their behalf offensive.

You need to respect all of someone's feelings not just the ones you understnad/agree with.

A lot of these 'creationists' are just pests, to say the least. If a nurse wants to 'pray' for a patient - just do it and don't mention it - no harm done. But the nurse in question, by asking, was 'doing God's work' - Hey, God is supposed to be all-powerful! The nurse was practically 'doorstepping' for votes.

Yes, I am an atheist. I wouldn't want her to be sacked, that would be stupid. I don't find the idea of prayers on my behalf offensive, but I'd question the professionalism of the person doing it and it would make me uncomfortable.

Quote: sootyj @ April 22 2009, 11:54 AM BST

Some aetheists and none Christian believers do find the idea of prayers offered on their behalf offensive.

You need to respect all of someone's feelings not just the ones you understnad/agree with.

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That comes back to the Catch 22 of right to free speech and right to not be offended. My view is that anyone who finds it offensive needs to take a serious look at themselves and learn to lighten up.

If the nurse had actually said that the patient NEEDED prayers, or God, or something along those lines, then that's fair enough to say professional misconduct as it essentially undermines belief in the industry in which they work. But to merely offer prayers is a ridiculous complaint.

Quote: Bad dog @ April 22 2009, 11:57 AM BST

it would make me uncomfortable.

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Why? Are you really that hung-up on religion?

What's the racist/sexist/ageist equivalent here? Religist? Whatever it is, I'd suggest that perhaps you are.

Quote: Aaron @ April 22 2009, 11:22 AM BST

Yes. Fast.

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Sorry, you may not like a government - or it's policies - but to claim we're heading towards a totalitarian state is ludicrous, and shows a complete lack of understanding of what a totalitarian state actually is. Don't bring your tabloid logic to the table.