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I would like to share a story with anyone thinking about enrolling on a writing course this year, specifically to anyone who might be tempted to sign up to a Raindance event.

Late last year I paid £270 to attend a weekend comedy course run by Raindance. That's a great deal of money to me. Still though, I'd read and enjoyed Elliot Grove's book on screenwriting and I was excited about getting some practical tuition from David Cohen, who I understand is a terrific teacher.

Having received no confirmation from Raindance prior to the event, and with only the vaguest idea of where I was supposed to be going on the day, I contacted them by email to ask if I was missing a welcome pack of some sort. I heard nothing back, and before I knew it, the day of the event had arrived.

When I got to the venue I found no notice of where the class was taking place. There was no reception. Nobody to talk to. I wandered around for a while but the best I could find was a massage class. I tried calling the Raindance office but discovered they only operate office hours.

I arrived home despondent and immediately wrote an email of complaint demanding an explanation and my money back. Again, I heard nothing. The next week I got their course director on the phone who assured me he'd been meaning to call. Between us we eventually discovered that I had been at the wrong venue. Apparently, there are two Diorama Arts Centre's in London. What's more, their website indicated the wrong one.

Three months later, and many letters back and forth, Raindance have told me point blank that they are not prepared to accept responsibility for what happened and will not refund me my money. Frustratingly, they have covered their tracks as far as giving an incorrect venue by updating their website. It's my word versus theirs, and I have neither the time nor the money to pursue a legal case.

The best I can do is to warn people that Raindance is yet another in a long line of organisations more than happy to fleece the writer so long as it suits their bottom line.

Did they send you any form of documentation? Before the event I mean. Was there a contract?

Bastards....always thought they had a good reputation!

Could always try the small claims court but as you said it's their word versus yours. Sometimes a solicitor's letter is enough to scare companies into making refunds. Thanks for the warning

They told me way after the fact they'd sent an email and that it must have been caught by my spam filter. I asked why nothing was sent in the post. They assured me they didn't see the need and that this system had never let them down before. I pointed out that it had let me down rather spectacularly but that didn't matter to them.

Yeah. David if you want me to take a look at it, confidentially of course, you can email me the details.

Hi David,

I think I met you a couple of weeks before the last Raindance course. Sorry to hear about this, I genuinely had no idea that you had signed up for the course. Let me look into it. Probably have to wait until after the weekend to sort it. Can I just say that I've had many dealings with Raindance over the years and they've always been okay people to deal with.
Dave Cohen
(First ever post and already my anonimity is blown)

Quote: Anorak @ February 29, 2008, 3:33 PM

Hi David,

I think I met you a couple of weeks before the last Raindance course. Sorry to hear about this, I genuinely had no idea that you had signed up for the course. Let me look into it. Probably have to wait until after the weekend to sort it. Can I just say that I've had many dealings with Raindance over the years and they've always been okay people to deal with.

Hello. I assume I know who who I'm talking to. We did meet briefly before the conference, you're right.

You're welcome to look into this of course, but I'm pretty sure you'd be flogging a dead horse. I was at it for three months and had to hound them non-stop to get a standard 'our policy states no refunds' letter.

Well I've got to do something about it otherwise next time I try and publicise a weekend with Raindance here I'm gonna look a right twat.
Dave Cohen

That’s amazing! You mention David Cohen and five post later…he turns up!

Okay; stand back, let’s see what happens…Penelope Cruz….. Rolling eyes

Quote: Writer2K @ February 29, 2008, 3:51 PM

That’s amazing! You mention David Cohen and five post later…he turns up!

Okay; stand back, let’s see what happens…Penelope Cruz….. Rolling eyes

F**k, my cover's blown Errr

Quote: Anorak @ February 29, 2008, 3:48 PM

Well I've got to do something about it otherwise next time I try and publicise a weekend with Raindance here I'm gonna look a right twat.
Dave Cohen

Best of luck to you. Please understand that my grievance is strictly with Raindance and not yourself.

I don't believe that's really Dave Cohen, its a fraud poster. If it is really him then prove it by giving me a job on the Have I got News For You writing team, then I might believe it. Huh?

Quote: David Bussell @ February 29, 2008, 3:57 PM

Best of luck to you. Please understand that my grievance is strictly with Raindance and not yourself.

I got the impression you were blaming him for 9/11.

Mel Gibson said I killed his Lord so being blamed for 9/11 would come as a respite. But you're right, I don't believe it's me either.

Quote: David Bussell @ February 29, 2008, 3:14 PM

Frustratingly, they have covered their tracks as far as giving an incorrect venue by updating their website. It's my word versus theirs, and I have neither the time nor the money to pursue a legal case.

Hi David

Not necessarily as time-consuming or expensive as you think ;)

http://www.archive.org/index.php

Historical websites -- they do seem to be on there for your perusal. Might be some proof for you.

Hope this helps

Dan

Sounds like you've had a rough ride, David. I'd be just as angry as you.

Thankfully, you have posted on a fairly prominent comedy website and, as you can see, David Cohen has suddenly appeared. Hopefully he can work some magic for you.

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