It was Mark's request. Give the man what he wants.
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For what? You've not been on that site again have you?
I'd never vote for the BNP, because half of their membership seems to be made up of nutter, ex-football hooligan types. This doesn't mean I don't think immigration is causing big problems in certain parts of the country. It's a fact that it's become a massive strain on the Health Service, Schools, Housing, the Police and Jobs. Anyone who doesn't admit this is either a Politically Correct fool, or has been living under a rock for the last 5 years.
By the way, if there's one thing about this whole debate that really gets on my nerves, it's rich comedians and T.V. personalities making fun of working class people whose lives are being affected the most by the whole thing. They seem to take a "Boy Who Cried Wolf" attitiude to the whole thing, branding anyone who sounds the slightest bit working class a racist, the minute they so much as sigh, when commenting on the issue. Then when they're presented with concrete evidence that the situation is causing problems in certain parts of the country, they refuse to believe any of it is true. T.V. celebrities are the last people we should listen to on the matter, for 2 reasons:
1. They're even worse than Politicians, when it comes to wanting to remain popular. Even if they did have something negative to say about immigration, do you really think they'd dare say it, knowing that they'd also be branded a racist, and have the likes of Rory Bremner comparing them to Hitler, before they could say "Some of my best friends are immigrants".
2. Most of them are loaded! On top of their normal T.V. work, many of them get paid silly money for doing stuff like voice-overs on adverts etc. How can they possibly relate to a brickie who can't get a job, or is having his wages undercut; a taxi driver who is losing fares to unlicensed mini cabs; or a family who have been waiting years for a council house, because they're not considered as much of a priority as immigrant families are, because they don't have as many children as they (the immigrant families) do?
Of course, there are many cases of immigrants doing the jobs that British people don't want to do anymore, e.g., I can't remember the last time I saw a British toilet attendant. Still, the fact remains, if the Government don't face up to this reality of the negative effects of excessive immigration, the BNP are gonna keep rubbing their hands with glee as they get more and more people voting for them.
As global warming kicks in the Green Party will overtake the BNP as the alternative choice party (as the BNP took over UKIP). Personally I don't beleive he state of immigration is as bad as the media make out, it's just banged on in papers like the Sun (for the people by the people that own the first set of people) to stop poor people uniting (the British working class and the foreign working class). I wouldn't be suprised if we have another global "red scare" (see South America circa now).
Quote: ajp29 @ January 30, 2008, 11:52 PMPublically. I suspect not privately.
Hah, fair point perhaps. But then do we not all have thoughts which we wouldn't actually carry through in the real world, publicly?
Quote: ajp29 @ January 31, 2008, 12:30 AMPure white English bunnies are the best
Quote: catskillz @ January 31, 2008, 2:28 AMBy the way, if there's one thing about this whole debate that really gets on my nerves, it's rich comedians and T.V. personalities making fun of working class people whose lives are being affected the most by the whole thing. They seem to take a "Boy Who Cried Wolf" attitiude to the whole thing, branding anyone who sounds the slightest bit working class a racist, the minute they so much as sigh, when commenting on the issue.
They may not be affected by the issue in the same way, if that was your main point about it, but I find it's the middle and upper classes who get attacked the most about voicing their discomfort. Which is particularly annoying when coming from someone like Marcus Brigstocke, who is about as middle-class as is possible, continues to dress and act as so, and yet seems to do everything he can to put himself across as another working-class man-of-the-people I-hate-the-Royals-and-people-with-money wannabe revolutionary.
Apart from that, I pretty much agree with the whole post. The 'celebrities' in question seem to see it (and certainly portray it) as a black and white (no pun intended) issue. As far as they're concerned, your opinion is either "nothing's wrong, lah dee dah, let's all hug!", or "LET'S GO KILL ALL THE DARKIES!!! RAAAR!". Quite worrying and IMO very irresponsible, considering the influence these people actually have.
Quote: Mark @ January 30, 2008, 11:40 PMCan't we talk about fluffy bunnies or comedy instead?
Only if the fluffy bunnies are neo-nazis, or the comedy; Love Thy Neighbour.
Quote: Charles E. Lawley @ January 31, 2008, 8:26 AMPersonally I don't beleive he state of immigration is as bad as the media make out, it's just banged on in papers like the Sun (for the people by the people that own the first set of people) to stop poor people uniting (the British working class and the foreign working class).
I wonder where you live Charles? If you live in London then I am surprised at your comment. Here we have plenty of discomfort due to a shortage of appropriately paid jobs, i.e. jobs are low pay in relation to the cost of accomodation/living here, and also too many people are chasing too few jobs, keeping wages down due to supply and demand. Immigrants need jobs and affordable housing, not benefits. How can you expect the British and foriegn working class to integrate if jobs are scarce, wages are low and accomodation costs are high?
We need to reduce Immigration and a good way of doing this would be to say that unless you have a job already lined up, you can't come. Then if there is an employee shortage in any Industry area, Industry can recruit from outside the UK and will be able to offer appropriate support to Immigrants by giving them a job and assisting them with accomodation from the outset and not have them living on degrading benefits.
Quote: Frankie Rage @ January 31, 2008, 3:07 PMI wonder where you live Charles? If you live in London then I am surprised at your comment. Here we have plenty of discomfort due to a shortage of appropriately paid jobs, i.e. jobs are low pay in relation to the cost of accomodation/living here, and also too many people are chasing too few jobs, keeping wages down due to supply and demand. Immigrants need jobs and affordable housing, not benefits. How can you expect the British and foriegn working class to integrate if jobs are scarce, wages are low and accomodation costs are high?
We need to reduce Immigration and a good way of doing this would be to say that unless you have a job already lined up, you can't come. Then if there is an employee shortage in any Industry area, Industry can recruit from outside the UK and will be able to offer appropriate support to Immigrants by giving them a job from the outset and not have them living on degrading benefits.
People, listen, 'cos you won't hear me saying this often (
) - Frankie is 100% correct here.
who'd-a thunk it!