Couldn't Moffat just kill off the Ponds in a freak accident, perhaps at a moment of emotional intensity by having a passing orchestra fall on them? Then we could get back to proper Doctor Who, with an established dynamic that works.
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Quote: sootyj @ September 9 2012, 12:09 PM BSTIn rigid old fashioned episodes that really weren't that good. And assistants used to be boring plot scafolding. Sara Jane asks questions, Jamie hits people, Adric does sums. Empty dreary cyphers.
Which Neffettiti and Game man weren't???????
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Quote: Tursiops @ September 9 2012, 12:12 PM BSTCouldn't Moffat just kill off the Ponds in a freak accident, perhaps at a moment of emotional intensity having passing orchestra fall on them? Then we could get back to proper Doctor Who, with an established dynamic that works.
Hasn't Amy left the show like three times now? They've milked that cow dry.
No one has addressed my other plot point about DNA sequenced pilots - but that's okay, in New Who, no explainations are needed because people talk quickly and no one questions their logic.
To wit, everything is magic. Woo.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 9 2012, 12:11 PM BSTIf they're such bad shots, how could they hit both Rory's Dad in the shoulder and eventually kill the triceritops? Why bother running away at all?
Villains not being able to shoot straight when heroes are escaping is accepted (though even the dreary Star Wars recognised that this stretched credibility.) What made this a particular stretch was that the escape took forever and the robots were shooting from such close range. The whole episode was more farce than adventure, resulting in a complete lack of tension and drama, even when the Doctor is apparently so outraged angry that he does not hesitate to commit cold-blooded murder.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 9 2012, 12:09 PM BSTNo, there was nothing written on the ammo blocks or any distinguishing features whatsover. And why would a big game hunter care about using tranquilisers against dinosaurs?...that is if the magic Tardis translation effect worked on him as well.
Do you know that for sure? No distinguishing marks?
As for the big game hunter, do we know there was any normal ammunition there? The Silurians took the dinosaurs to save them, not kill them. The ship itself didn't even have weapons.
Quote: Punk Anarcho @ September 9 2012, 12:11 PM BSTBut how does he know who he requires if it hasnt happened yet?
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The Queen is already with him, the explorer and adventurer is picked up for obvious reasons.
Quote: Punk Anarcho @ September 9 2012, 12:12 PM BSTWhich Neffettiti and Game man weren't???????
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No they weren't and if that isn't obvious its going to be hard to explain the subtleties.
But I'll make the effort.
They're separate characters with agendas and role (and you missed out Rory's excellent dad). They're individuality affects the plot (Nefertiti insists on being sacrificed). And they have arcs (the hunter is chastened by the death of the dino) nothing huge, nothing major just the kind of neat plotting a good series can do.
Where as Joe seemed to spend years going eek and asking whats that?
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 9 2012, 12:15 PM BSTNo one has addressed my other plot point about DNA sequenced pilots - but that's okay, in New Who, no explainations are needed because people talk quickly and no one questions their logic.
To wit, everything is magic. Woo.
Yes, that point was a bit weak, (then with Rory's Dad there, a bit conveniant) as we aren't given a proper explanation, though of course there are no Silurians left to explain it anyway; but it had nothing to do with 'woo' and 'magic'.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 9 2012, 11:42 AM BSTThe ship's controls requiring the same genetic code or whatever and there just happens to be a father and son on the ship. But they're not lizard people, they're chimp people, they're DNA is different and why do the pilots have to be related anyways and...bah, pile of space wank. Logic fail.
For the same reason the Guld in SG1 make super advanced body armour, that's just not advanced enough to resist slightly more advanced human bullets.
Or they have super hi tech grenades they only use once in one episode.
Or how in Firefly the paradigm shifting technology of interstellar travel affects no other kit.
Or why in star trek does no one wear space suits or even gas masks on alien planets with deadly viruses.
Because every now and then the rules bend a little.
Quote: sootyj @ September 9 2012, 12:22 PM BSTWhere as Joe seemed to spend years going eek and asking whats that?
Arguably a more credible reaction than the apparent insouciance with which an Eighteenth Dynasty Queen of Egypt took spaceships, computers, robots, dinosaurs, Silurians, tranquilliser guns, mobile phones, and a complete lack of deference, in her stride.
That really is the role of the assistant to be completely out of their depth and ask the questions the audience want answers to. That is the whole point of having an assistant.
Quote: Tursiops @ September 9 2012, 12:30 PM BSTArguably a more credible reaction than the apparent insouciance with which an Eighteenth Dynasty Queen of Egypt took spaceships, computers, robots, dinosaurs, Silurians, tranquilliser guns, mobile phones, and a complete lack of deference, in her stride.
True, though of course we don't know what her and the Doctor had been getting up to in the adventure prior to this.
She expected deference.
And characters have always adjusted.
Apart from the first season one when the companions kept trying to go home.
What happened with the hole Rory and his dad were digging on the beach? There was never even a payoff like, "Thanks for making us dig that hole on the beach, Doctor. You c**t."
I tend to agree the long goodbye with Amy is getting a bit tiresome. A writer not so in love with his own creations would have got shot of them at the end of the last series instead of this drawnout nonsense.
And the Ark itself looked shit. Like something cobbled together out of tinfoil and a toilet rolls for a Blue Peter competition.
Quote: chipolata @ September 9 2012, 12:35 PM BSTWhat happened with the hole Rory and his dad were digging on the beach? There was never even a payoff like, "Thanks for making us dig that hole on the beach, Doctor. You c**t."
He was confirming they were still on the ship. They dug to find a floor, he went off to the rocks to find controls.
Amelia is a bit dull. Rory is great. Rory and his dad go through space and time saving the universe with golf and DIY would be aces.
Oh and what did the Dinosaurs eat for milennia?
Quote: Matthew Stott @ September 9 2012, 12:37 PM BSTHe was confirming they were still on the ship. They dug to find a floor, he went off to the rocks to find controls.
Yes, that was all a bit unconvincing, the beach is only six inches deep, but there are massive cliffs and oceans and such. And didn't they mumble something about the ship being propelled by wavepower? What the f**k was powering the waves?