Quote: AngieBaby @ May 1 2011, 1:20 AM BSTRory was starting to annoy me for being such a sap, but I liked how they turned that round.
Snap.
Quote: Ben @ May 1 2011, 1:01 AM BSTWHAT. THE. FUCK?!
It was in context! 
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Quote: Scatterbrained Floozy @ May 1 2011, 11:09 AM BSTSnap.
It was in context!
#Robyn and the Doctor sitting in a tree.#
I'm fine with this.
Quote: Steve Sunshine @ May 1 2011, 1:56 AM BSTIt was definitely my favourite New Who series opener.
Just pips Rose.
I agree that it might be a bit confusing for the casual viewer.
For me it's probably in second place, first going to last years superb opener.
And I would say it was possibly a bit much for the casual viewer, yeah.
Quote: Gavin @ May 1 2011, 11:20 AM BST#Robyn and the Doctor sitting in a tree. f-u-c-k-i-n-g#
Gav that's disgraceful, go meet the Newmans or something
With a bit more effort The Silence story could have been pretty decent, certainly the elements were all there. But Moffat seemed less interested in telling a story than laying the foundations for a 56 episode story arc.
Yeh like so many Who stories the infuriating element was how strong some of the elements were.
Quote: chipolata @ May 1 2011, 12:39 PM BSTWith a bit more effort The Silence story could have been pretty decent, certainly the elements were all there. But Moffat seemed less interested in telling a story than laying the foundations for a 56 episode story arc.
It didn't work for you, which is fair enough.
Okay, final ratings are in for Ep 1, 8.86 million. So a jump up of over two million from those overnights that had some going on about a ratings plummet. In fact, it's on a par and even better than several of the series opening eps we've had so far; and it doesn't include the many people who will have chosen to watch first on iPlayer.
All in all? Very strong.
The overnights for this weeks was five and a half mill, so will more than likely hit somewhere around seven mill or just over.
Basically, they may still slide, obviously, but the opening two episodes seem to have done very well.
http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2011/04/dwn0105160412-impossible-astronaut.html
Quote: Steve Sunshine @ May 1 2011, 1:56 AM BSTIt was definitely my favourite New Who series opener.
Just pips Rose.
I agree that it might be a bit confusing for the casual viewer.
I assume by casual viewer you mean one who hasn't got the whole season's scripts in his hands and all the recordings cued up to refer back to.
By ordinary standards of quality, these last two episodes have been atrocious. The first clue is starting the series with a two parter.
There's a reason you have an entrée before a main course, and they don't give you a whole lobster on your bruschetta. I don't think anyone who'd never seen the show before would come back after what we've just seen, much like you wouldn't stay around for the main course after the lobster.
The show under Moffat is sodomised by it's own cleverness and has become a VERY, VERY PASSIVE WATCH - since he holds all the cards and is flicking out-of-sequence gobbets of the story at you like a Dada poet.
And Moffat is starting to repeat himself. The Silence are basically the Weeping Angels in that they attack you without you realising it. And the Doctor leaving those execrable comic messages throughout time to attract the attention of Amy and Rory was just like the grafitti in Blink (though much less clever) And when the visor was opened in the spacesuit I fully expected the child to say; "Are you my AMY".
The writing was on the wall in more ways than one in the last episode. He's made the show about the Doctor and not his adventures, he's got too many 'companions' and story wise he's disappeared up his own arsehole - and like the Tardis it's bigger on the inside than the outside.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 1 2011, 5:24 PM BSTBy ordinary standards of quality, these last two episodes have been atrocious. The first clue is starting the series with a two parter.
There's a reason you have an entrée before a main course, and they don't give you a whole lobster on your bruschetta. I don't think anyone who'd never seen the show before would come back after what we've just seen, much like you wouldn't stay around for the main course after the lobster.
Why not do that at least once? How many years does a show have to keep going before you assume there's a solid audience you can play to instead of always playing to a new crowd? I agree it may well have put off many who don't watch it, but then on average 7 million people DO watch it. I'm not saying there might not be a danger to it in the long run, but after a while you have to be confident enough in your own audience.
American genre serials frequently have started with two-parters, although quite often they show both parts the same night.
Quote: Kevin Murphy @ May 1 2011, 5:39 PM BSTAmerican genre serials frequently have started with two-parters, although quite often they show both parts the same night.
The idea that you can't start with a two parter is a nonesense; as long as it pleases most of the audience then it doesn't matter at all.
Quote: Matthew Stott @ April 30 2011, 11:26 PM BSTExcept I imagine Moffat has at least some idea of what it's going to be about, unlike RTD! (At least I bloody hope so!)
I have just seriously like actually just fainted innit!
Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 1 2011, 5:24 PM BSTI assume by casual viewer you mean one who hasn't got the whole season's scripts in his hands and all the recordings cued up to refer back to.
By ordinary standards of quality, these last two episodes have been atrocious. The first clue is starting the series with a two parter.
There's a reason you have an entrée before a main course, and they don't give you a whole lobster on your bruschetta. I don't think anyone who'd never seen the show before would come back after what we've just seen, much like you wouldn't stay around for the main course after the lobster.
The show under Moffat is sodomised by it's own cleverness and has become a VERY, VERY PASSIVE WATCH - since he holds all the cards and is flicking out-of-sequence gobbets of the story at you like a Dada poet.
And Moffat is starting to repeat himself. The Silence are basically the Weeping Angels in that they attack you without you realising it. And the Doctor leaving those execrable comic messages throughout time to attract the attention of Amy and Rory was just like the grafitti in Blink (though much less clever) And when the visor was opened in the spacesuit I fully expected the child to say; "Are you my AMY".
The writing was on the wall in more ways than one in the last episode. He's made the show about the Doctor and not his adventures, he's got too many 'companions' and story wise he's disappeared up his own arsehole - and like the Tardis it's bigger on the inside than the outside.
Yup