Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th November 2024, 4:39 AMThe polls and the bookmakers predicted a close result. That's what they got!
You see it but refuse to see it.
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Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th November 2024, 4:55 AMAre you kidding? Loads of pre-election criticism on here from you and others.
I didn't think I'd have to say 'from your lot/from the KH fans/anti Trump mob' on here but fair point. Slaps wrist.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th November 2024, 4:39 AMThe polls and the bookmakers predicted a close result. That's what they got!
Nowhere near close Chris, Harris lost every crucial swing state, or is projected to with two still being counted, and the Polls had her up in all three northern rust belt states at least until the last week, when PA was 50/50 but losing ground to Trump supporters. Even Arizona and Nevada were projected blue earlier in her campaign. And Trump's won all three houses which is rare for any winner, meaning he can basically do what he wants now. That's not close.
Quote: lofthouse @ 6th November 2024, 5:38 PMJust waiting for Harris to claim that the Republicans cheated and have stolen the election and that her supporters should tool up and storm the capital in an orgy of violence to stop the steal
Why would they, as it so clearly wasn't a steal. No single state led by tens of thousands of votes then saw a last hour surge of votes ending in a narrow 11k vote loss from nearly 12 million votes cast in the State and then had a CCTV recording of what looked like new ballot boxes being taken out from under a desk and counted after most of the counters had mysteriously decided to leave. You constantly leave out the context behind their claims of cheating which led to the unfortunate scenes at the Capitol.
Quote: Aaron @ 6th November 2024, 4:35 PMbut poor Ukraine.
Yes it's sad BUT are they really expecting the West to keep draining their coffers year after year paying for a war that's never likely to end? Even the Pope has urged them to negotiate an end and yet they are just refusing to concede on anything while taking billions and billions of other countries tax payers money just to prop up a continuous stalemate. It may take someone as ballsy as Trump to force some kind of end to it. Starmer and the EU clearly aren't brave enough.
Quote: chipolata @ 6th November 2024, 11:51 AMI do feel sorry for Ukraine with pro-Putin Trump back, with likely control of both houses of congress.
If Trump manages to get a ceasefire or an end to the war, it will be the greatest triumph.
Cutting off supplies and money will hasten that end and stop the thousands of wasted young lives.
It's the only way.
Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 7th November 2024, 6:25 AMYou see it but refuse to see it.
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He only won by a 3% margin in his popular vote. That's pretty close. Certainly very far from being a landslide anyway. That's not a huge electoral college margin either. Kennedy beat Nixon by more in 1960 and that's always talked of as a close contest.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 7th November 2024, 7:35 AMWhy would they, as it so clearly wasn't a steal.
Nor was there in 2020.
You charge headlong into crazy unfounded conspiracy theory territory here.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th November 2024, 4:39 AMThe polls and the bookmakers predicted a close result. That's what they got!
Well, that's not what the media is saying - they ALL say the polls got it totally wrong, and I have maintained for years and years that they are a complete waste of time and money.
I clearly remember in the mid 60s being asked by a pollster my opinion and gave them my unambiguous reply, I clearly saw them put me down as a "Don't Know" and from that day I never trusted them.
Not that I come across them much now, but if I do I tell them a complete lie, and that' all their info amounts to.
Quote: Hercules Grytpype Thynne @ 7th November 2024, 8:53 AMWell, that's not what the media is saying - they ALL say the polls got it totally wrong,
Some of the media are saying this. Certainly not all!
I'm referring to what the rioters thought, not me. I accept what the judge said although I can see why the Georgia result was questioned given what was shown on the CCTV footage they tried to supress.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th November 2024, 8:43 AMNor was there in 2020.
You charge headlong into crazy unfounded conspiracy theory territory here.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th November 2024, 9:11 AMSome of the media are saying this. Certainly not all!
I wonder why? Surely not trying to hide the fact they themselves got it arse about face again?
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 7th November 2024, 9:11 AMI'm referring to what the rioters thought, not me. I except what the judge said although I can see why the Georgia result was questioned given what was shown on the CCTV footage they tried to supress.
Absurd nonsense.
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I wonder why? Surely not trying to hide the fact they themselves got it arse about face again?[/quote]
And yet, they didn't.
He only won by a 3% margin in his popular vote.
You are just trying to twist facts now to bolster your incorrect logic
The polls were not about the populist vote but who would win, and they were wrong
The bookmakers had it 60% to 40% for a Trump win and they were almost spot on.
Many media outlets not only projected a Harris victory but the usual ones were doing their best to promote one. Your liberal journalistic leaning is part of the reason the media on the whole got it so wrong again, as they did Brexit, they cannot see past their own liberal mostly urbanite left leaning stance and can't believe there are millions of others who don't hold these same views.
The general swathe of left leaning broadcast and internet Media has been shown up again to be an over confident overpaid irrelevance. The traditional press is a bit different many still having traditional right of centre views it seems, possibly because of their background and generally being older than the newer tech media and more mobile less home country based broadcast media. imoo
Quote: Hercules Grytpype Thynne @ 7th November 2024, 8:53 AMWell, that's not what the media is saying - they ALL say the polls got it totally wrong, and I have maintained for years and years that they are a complete waste of time and money.
I clearly remember in the mid 60s being asked by a pollster my opinion and gave them my unambiguous reply, I clearly saw them put me down as a "Don't Know" and from that day I never trusted them.
Not that I come across them much now, but if I do I tell them a complete lie, and that' all their info amounts to.
Similar to what I just posted the reason for this disconnect is that pollsters themselves tend to be social science grads with typically left of centre views and a liberal upbringing, leading to their own political bias in both setting polls and interpreting them. It clearly needs some serious structural changing because they've got almost every major event wrong in this century.
You guys are obsessed with arguing about some weird and ultimately meaningless things. Now it's polls! As I understand it they undersestimated the Trump vote, but in the battleground states they were within the margin of error. I think they should be seen as one tool in helping try to predict who will win, not the be all and end all. Although they did get the recent British election right, although that was easier because the margins were bigger.
Hey America, do you want a female, black prosecutor?
Heck no
How about a white criminal racist rapist?
Yeeeehaaa! Darn straight!
Quote: chipolata @ 7th November 2024, 10:33 AMYou guys are obsessed with arguing about some weird and ultimately meaningless things. .
No we're not, as it IS relevant when they bend it to suit their agenda
And by the way, I am NOT a guy - I'm a bloke, who speaks English