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General Election 2024 Page 34
Quote: lofthouse @ 30th June 2024, 2:52 PMThe right is finished in this country , for years
The right is about to be elected en masse in the form of Starmer's 'changed' Labour Party, which has publicly committed to the Conservatives' spending plans which include an imminent £20b in departmental cuts.
If you consider yourself left wing or progressive you should vote Green or Independent tomorrow. The Tories can't get in and we need to keep the pustule of corporate lobbyists Labour is about to pump into the House of Commons to a manageable size.
I say that as a member of the Labour party.
The Daily Star actually uses the word 'bellends' on its front page tomorrow in summation of the current Tory administration and its record 🤣
(And 'scumbags')
(And 'wazzocks')
Quote: lofthouse @ 2nd July 2024, 6:58 PMPetrified! 😋
NEW MRP: Labour 99% Certain To Win More Seats Than in 1997
Labour on Course to Win 484 seats.
The Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are in a close race to form the official opposition.
Probabilistic seat count:
LAB 484
CON 64
LD 61
SNP 10
RFM 7
PC 3
GRN 334,558 interviews conducted online and on the telephone
And that is why you shouldn't believe surveys. Because that isn't going to happen. Phone and online personal poll surveys have been shown to be notoriously unreliable in the last couple of GEs. People have fun saying the opposite of what they really think to the fool the pollsters. Labour win but I reckon they'll be way short of that fantasy figure and there is no way on earth LibDems will challenge for opposition spot.
Don't forget that a lot of potential Labour voters have taken themselves off the electoral roll for all sorts of reasons. And after the last few days I can give a another warning about voting Labour - I've had at least 12 campaign cards come through my door in the last few weeks. 9 NINE of them have been Vote Labour!
I collected seven of them up this evening, all different designs and statements, one glossy colour concertina leaflet, four glossy colour thicker cards and two thinner matt dual colour cards. (I had one each from other parties, the cheapest looking one was from Reform but perfectly adequate.)
They've already started overspending, and that's exactly how they'll continue with the nation's money. That includes yours.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ 3rd July 2024, 7:22 PMI say that as a member of the Labour party.
Should you still be a member then, if Starmer's taken to the party to the right of Tony Blair's? Wouldn't you be more at home in Galloway's Worker's Party?
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 4th July 2024, 1:35 AMDon't forget that a lot of potential Labour voters have taken themselves off the electoral roll for all sorts of reasons. And after the last few days I can give a another warning about voting Labour - I've had at least 12 campaign cards come through my door in the last few weeks. 9 NINE of them have been Vote Labour!
I collected seven of them up this evening, all different designs and statements, one glossy colour concertina leaflet, four glossy colour thicker cards and two thinner matt dual colour cards. (I had one each from other parties, the cheapest looking one was from Reform but perfectly adequate.)
They've already started overspending, and that's exactly how they'll continue with the nation's money. That includes yours.
Should you still be a member then, if Starmer's taken to the party to the right of Tony Blair's? Wouldn't you be more at home in Galloway's Worker's Party?
It's hard to imagine someone as famously level-headed, sensible and cautious as Starmer suddenly losing his head and authorising a sudden, massive uncoated spending spree.
Hard to imagine him falling heavily under the Left either. Indeed, even less likely if Labour win a thumping big majority.
From what I have seen and heard (not polls) Reform are gathering momentum.
Our local Reform candidate posted her intentions and 'manifesto on Facebook and received about 300 replies. (99% in favour)
Whereas Labour and the Conservatives received mainly scornful comments.
We are a small town in the northwest and it's probably a regional thing but all the same....
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 4th July 2024, 6:44 AMIt's hard to imagine someone as famously level-headed, sensible and cautious as Starmer suddenly losing his head and authorising a sudden, massive uncoated spending spree.
Hard to imagine him falling heavily under the Left either. Indeed, even less likely if Labour win a thumping big majority.
How one acts and presents oneself when seeking the approval of the electorate and how one acts and presents oneself when no longer constrained by needing such approval are of course two entirely different things. To believe otherwise of a politician is dangerously naive.
Especially in the case of someone who has already shown himself to be a purveyor of untruths and an unprincipled U-turner.
That doesn't sound like Keir though, does it? Sounds more like Johnson.
And Labour will still need the electorate's approval if they want to be re-elected.
This is why, democracy is a good thing.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 4th July 2024, 1:35 AMDon't forget that a lot of potential Labour voters have taken themselves off the electoral roll for all sorts of reasons. And after the last few days I can give a another warning about voting Labour - I've had at least 12 campaign cards come through my door in the last few weeks. 9 NINE of them have been Vote Labour!
I collected seven of them up this evening, all different designs and statements, one glossy colour concertina leaflet, four glossy colour thicker cards and two thinner matt dual colour cards. (I had one each from other parties, the cheapest looking one was from Reform but perfectly adequate.)
They've already started overspending, and that's exactly how they'll continue with the nation's money. That includes yours.
I too decide the economic competence of a party based on how shit their leaflets are. Although my faith was shaken in Reform when I saw their Nuremberg style rally in Birmingham (not my words, the Clacton Tory candidate's words) and wondered how much that backslapping orgy cost. In fact it was so self-congratulatory I half expected Farage to start shouting "well all right" again and again.
Although I do agree that I don't think the Labour majority will be as big as some polls suggests.
My election results prediction -
Labour 384
Cons 161
Libdem 36
SNP 23
REFORM 15
GREEN 4
OTHERS the rest
Just to see how it compares to that pollster's prediction Lofthouse likes so much. And I've done no polling or interviews whatsoever.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 4th July 2024, 8:59 AM. And I've done no polling or interviews whatsoever.
You wouldn't know it from your posts, Alfred. 
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 4th July 2024, 8:47 AMThat doesn't sound like Keir though, does it? Sounds more like Johnson.
It does sound like Johnson. But I didn't come on here five years ago and basically tell everyone to believe everything he'd been saying and doing. And I can imagine the response had I done so.
It also sounds very much like Starmer. A proposer for the abolition of the monarchy who happily accepted becoming a Queen's Counsellor; an editor of the Trotskyist magazine "Socialist Alternatives" and advocator for Trade Unions to have control over industry and community who now expects us to believe he wants to move Labour to the political centre.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 4th July 2024, 8:47 AMAnd Labour will still need the electorate's approval if they want to be re-elected.
It might be too late by then.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 4th July 2024, 8:59 AMMy election results prediction -
REFORM 15
I'll be very surprised if Reform get 15 seats. Bet 365 are giving 13/8 that they'll get any more than six. You'd better get on quick if you think they're going to have 15.
Quote: Billy Bunter @ 4th July 2024, 9:12 AMIt does sound like Johnson. But I didn't come on here five years ago and basically tell everyone to believe everything he'd been saying and doing. And I can imagine the response had I done so.
It also sounds very much like Starmer. A proposer for the abolition of the monarchy who happily accepted becoming a Queen's Counsellor; an editor of the Trotskyist magazine "Socialist Alternatives" and advocator for Trade Unions to have control over industry and community who now expects us to believe he wants to move Labour to the political centre.
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You're just contrasting his views as a young man in the Eighties with his views today. Most people recognise people's opinions change over time. That's really not the same thing as dishonesty.
I treat his words with the healthy scepticism with which I would treat those of any politician. Johnson's pretty much a pathological liar which is very different.
I'm putting Reform at 12 seats.
I'd love LibDems to beat Tories but I don't think they will.
Anyone else in an 'exciting' seat?
Here in North Herefordshire it's very tight between Greens & the incumbent (and incompetent) Tory, Bill Wiggins, who's sat on his arse & done sweet FA for 23 years.