Lets be honest here some of us come on for the word 'Comedy' while others seem to have be attracted by the word 'British'.
Comedy is predominantly left wing in its creators and its fans, so I suspect that we the left outnumber them.
Of course you get funny right wingers , but most of the right wingers on here, not all but most just come across as angry and intolerant and rarely attempt to even try to be funny.
Nobody has to be funny on here. The site is primarily about comedy not specifically for people to be funny themselves although they can be obviously.
But one person endlessly posting snide remarks about everyone else does get a bit wearisome.
Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 20th July 2022, 9:16 PMYou are probably mistaking nastiness for the truth. Easy to do when everything you want or vote for never comes to fruition. Pesky democracy letting the majority win.
P.s. the majority of voters did not vote Conservative in 2019
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 20th July 2022, 9:52 PMP.s. the majority of voters did not vote Conservative in 2019
Oh, God. Don't get him on that.
Too late lol.
So who won with a massive majority?
Once again, not snide remarks, the truth and my opinion. You just don't like my opinion.
I can't help that but you are not beyond reproach.
Just pointing out that the Conservatives did not win a majority of the votes cast. They never have done in any General Election since 1945.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 20th July 2022, 10:18 PMJust pointing out that the Conservatives did not win a majority of the votes cast. They never have done in any General Election since 1945.
Went to check the exact dates on this. (It's actually 1935 the Conservatives last did it, and only once - four years earlier - previously.)
Interestingly, Labour have never done it. Even in 1997 they only got 43.2%. Which is smaller than the Conservative share in 2019, of 43.6%.
All true! Although technically it was the National Government which won in 1935. Mostly Tory, but some Liberal and Labour people too.
Its a duff system.
There's a lot of momentum behind PR at the moment.
Labour are resisting, despite the membership, and now the big unions pushing for it.
Its going to be a bit of a bust-up at Conference this year.
We'll see.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 20th July 2022, 10:32 PMAll true! Although technically it was the National Government which won in 1935. Mostly Tory, but some Liberal and Labour people too.
Yes, true, indeed. Different times...
Quote: Lazzard @ 20th July 2022, 10:35 PMIts a duff system.
There's a lot of momentum behind PR at the moment.
Labour are resisting, despite the membership, and now the big unions pushing for it.
Its going to be a bit of a bust-up at Conference this year.
We'll see.
PR is the kind of disastrous mess that would have filled the House with dozens of UKIP members over the last decade, and regularly returns actual neo-Nazi/-fascist representatives on the continent.
To paraphrase Churchill, first past the post is the least worst mechanism there is.
Quote: Aaron @ 20th July 2022, 10:35 PMYes, true, indeed. Different times...
PR is the kind of disastrous mess that would have filled the House with dozens of UKIP members over the last decade, and regularly returns actual neo-Nazi/-fascist representatives on the continent.
To paraphrase Churchill, first past the post is the least worst mechanism there is.
Not always so. Historically, whilst accomodating extremists on both ends of the spectrum, PR usually delivers a more progressive coalition. It genuinley reflects the views of the country. That's democracy, surely?
Maybe not always, but look at how easily people are whipped up in the modern age. One tweet is all it takes for thousands to jump on a hysterical bandwagon. It happens at both ends of the political spectrum. We'd soon see actual loons given the validity of political voice - the kind who would make Jeremy Corbyn and Nigel Farage look positively middle of the road.
Quote: Aaron @ 20th July 2022, 10:56 PMMaybe not always, but look at how easily people are whipped up in the modern age. One tweet is all it takes for thousands to jump on a hysterical bandwagon. It happens at both ends of the political spectrum. We'd soon see actual loons given the validity of political voice - the kind who would make Jeremy Corbyn and Nigel Farage look positively middle of the road.
I'd agree, but sadly the loons on the extremes seem to be influencing mainstream politics more and more. We seem to be moving away from a sensible centre to more of the divisive American way of poltics.
Quote: Lazzard @ 20th July 2022, 10:50 PMNot always so. Historically, whilst accomodating extremists on both ends of the spectrum, PR usually delivers a more progressive coalition. It genuinley reflects the views of the country. That's democracy, surely?
I'd say from what I've read over the years of European governments which are regularly coalitions due to PR they are anything but progressive, they can't progress when they don't agree on the big issues. They often stagnate, can get very little done and then fall apart. You have middling centrists being tied up by right wing nationalists and Marxist greens on the left. European governments are notoriously weak because of the nonsense of PR, meaning no party ever has the power of a strong mandate when you're 'winning' with 30% of the vote.
Quote: chipolata @ 21st July 2022, 6:48 AMI'd agree, but sadly the loons on the extremes seem to be influencing mainstream politics more and more. We seem to be moving away from a sensible centre to more of the divisive American way of poltics.
Blame the interweb and social media for that. And when did we have a sensible centre exactly, remember the 70s and 80s? Very extreme political poles, either Tory govts with millions unemployed or Labour govts with 90% tax rates and sky high infation. It was Blair who brought in this new idea of a centrist govt and that just eventually led to the rise of UKIP and the old style socialist worker trots under Corbyn, because the large fringes were sick of being left out of everything.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 21st July 2022, 7:22 AMBlame the interweb and social media for that. And when did we have a sensible centre exactly, remember the 70s and 80s? Very extreme political poles, either Tory govts with millions unemployed or Labour govts with 90% tax rates and sky high infation. It was Blair who brought in this new idea of a centrist govt and that just eventually led to the rise of UKIP and the old style socialist worker trots under Corbyn, because the large fringes were sick of being left out of everything.
But were they ever really left out, or were various media outlets just telling them they were and whipping up division?