PRESENTER: Phew! It's quite a climb.
TIBLAR: Yes. If, perhaps, you are not used to it.
P: I certainly am not. Back in Europe we have a lot more streets and fewer ladders woven from vines.
T: Ha ha. When you grow up in the jungle, you grow up climbing. You really grow up, we say.
P: I see. Whoo, I'm tired. So, is it a hard life in the jungle, Tiblar?
T: Oh, yes, it can be.
P: A constant battle with the wild animals, I suppose?
T: Yes. Animals, yes. That is why we build our village so high in the trees.
P: And this keeps you away from, what, lions?
T: No lions in jungle, that is a classic mistake.
P: Sorry. Tigers?
T: No. Think of dangerous animal you see in jungle - not in films, in real jungle.
P: Piranhas?
T: Erm...yes, OK, half marks. No, I am talking about dangerous snake.
P: Oh yes! How silly of me. Lots of poisonous snakes around, I suspect.
T: No, not poisonous.
P: I see; the deadly constrictors.
T: Oh no, these snakes are not that sort.
P: Then what do you mean they -aaargh! [OFF] Hello?
T: Simon? You are hurt?
P: No,no. Well, not too badly. What was that?
T: A snake. They are very slippery. Highly dangerous. You need help?
P: [PUFFING] No, almost there. Slippery snakes? I'm surprised - hold on, just getting my breath back - that they cause so many problems.
T: Yes. Very dangerous. It's why we live up high, to avoid them. That is why we spend such time fashioning the ladders.
P: I see, that explains why you - aaaargh!
T: Simon? Perhaps you have slid down a slippery snake again?
P: [OFF] Just maybe. Hold on. [GRUNTING AND PUFFING FOR SOME WHILE] OK, OK, I'm back.
T: You look pained, Mr Simon.
P: I'll be - I'll be alright. So, building higher helps you avoid the snakes?
T: Yes, quite right, because they are so - aarrgh!
P: Ow!! Another one.
T: I slipped on a slippery snake.
P: Yes. Did you have to take me with you?
T: I grabbed you, Mr Simon. I'm sorry, I thought you were a ladder.
P: And a landing strip, apparently.
T: Sorry, Simon?
P: [FIGHTING ANGER] Nothing, it's just...no it's nothing.
T: The snakes, they hang by their jaws to the high branches, and they are so, so slippery. So, we build, we are always making ladders.
P: [EXHAUSTED] OK so - no after you - why do you want to find a space above the snakes?
T: To protect our people and our valuables.
P: The valuables of the tribe? And ahat are they?
T: Well...mostly ladders. But, we must climb the trees to avoid the snakes.
P: But, the snakes live in the highest braches?
T: Oh, yes, very high branches for those snakes.
P: So, the higher you build, the more snakes you will find?
T: And this is why we must build, to avoid the snakes. Come, we are almost there.
P: Thank heavens for small - woh!
T: You nearly slipped, Simon.
P: I did, yes. There was a snake there and I very nearly went but luckily - aaargh!
T: Oh dear. So many snakes. Shall I wait for you, Simon?
P: [WEAK] No I'll - Jesus -
T: It is only a small ladder to climb this time.
P: I think I'll wait here.
T: Oh, no, Mr Simon, don't do that. There are a lot of snakes.
P: I'm well aware of that.
T: So, I advise you climb the ladders.
P: [ANGRY] Yes, but if I don't climb the bloody ladder I won't risk sliding down the bloody snake, will I? You can only slip on something if you're moving about, and I can't fathom for one second why you idiots bloody well do it.
T: [Beat] I advise you climb the ladder, Mr Simon.
P: No, I shall not climb the ladder. No, wait, actually, I shall climb the ladder; I shall climb down the ladder, and stop this idiocy before I break my bloody neck.
T: You are going to climb *down* the ladder, Mr Simon?
P: Yes. I. am. I'm getting out of here.
T: But you can't, Mr Simon! Not the jungle floor, it is far too dangerous.
P: Funnily enough slippery snakes don't worry me when I'm on the ground.
T: Not snakes, Mr Simon! The hungry, hungry hippos!