Tim, if you wanted a repeat of that night again, I told you before, it's not going to happen!
When/Why did the BCG become so dull & lifeless? Page 5
I'm just being honest, Tursio, I know that at least as much women's humour is as sexist/anti men as men's is sexist/anti women. It's another of those notoriously female constructs that says 'We'll condemn men for being like this but completely excuse the fact we're just as much like that to them.' It's called having your cock and eating it, or something.
And to agree with your statement I do not see what is wrong with it. Needle based on whatever clubby difference, race, sex, class, nationality etc is a vital part of humour and long may it continue and drive the humourless PC Guardian readers mad. 
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ October 5 2013, 11:38 AM BSTAnd to agree with your statement
Please don't.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ October 5 2013, 11:38 AM BSTI'm just being honest, Tursio, I know that at least as much women's humour is as sexist/anti men as men's is sexist/anti women. It's another of those notoriously female constructs that says 'We'll condemn men for being like this but completely excuse the fact we're just as much like that to them.' It's called having your cock and eating it, or something.
And to agree with your statement I do not see what is wrong with it. Needle based on whatever clubby difference, race, sex, class, nationality etc is a vital part of humour and long may it continue and drive the humourless PC Guardian readers mad.
Thanks Alfred I forget how boring the whole men v women thing was and you just reminded me.
Boring it may be but a fact of life it is. Nailed down by every woman's post on the matter. They no more want it to change than we do.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ October 5 2013, 11:38 AM BSTI'm just being honest, Tursio, I know that at least as much women's humour is as sexist/anti men as men's is sexist/anti women. It's another of those notoriously female constructs that says 'We'll condemn men for being like this but completely excuse the fact we're just as much like that to them.' It's called having your cock and eating it, or something.
And to agree with your statement I do not see what is wrong with it. Needle based on whatever clubby difference, race, sex, class, nationality etc is a vital part of humour and long may it continue and drive the humourless PC Guardian readers mad.
Well, that's a very unsophisticated form of humour based on denigrating people who have less power than you. Jokes about archetypes within specific groups are fine, jokes stereotyping women/black people/gay people/trans people reinforce stereotypes and negatively affect the lives of people in those groups.
For the record, I find women making stereotypical jokes about how ALL men behave just as tedious as jokes about how ALL women behave. There is a difference, though, in that there is no history of men being denied rights on the basis of their supposed inability to keep it in their pants or multitask, whereas the equally false notion that women are overly emotional and ditzy has informed the way women have had to live.
Nobody would be on this site if they were genuinely humourless - where would the attraction be? There is a reason that comedy has moved away from mother-in-law jokes and blackface and it's not because everyone's too cowardly to be honest.
Quote: Tursiops @ October 5 2013, 10:45 AM BSTIt could be argued that the huge progress that has been made by women, at least in western society, means that they have become no more of a victim group than say gingers or the Welsh.
A well-meaning post, but you're using terribly un-pc language
by referring to people as 'gingers'.
And saying someone is 'Welsh' is definitely an insult.
Quote: Tursiops @ October 5 2013, 11:12 AM BSTThe problem with Critique is that most of those who had a genuine interest in comedy have either become too grand to post, or, perhaps rather more often, simply given up. So standards have slipped rather. We recently had a simple set-up/punchline gag posted, where there was unanimous agreement that the punchline did not work, but we still ran to five pages on how to fix the sketch. Half of those posting in Critique simply have zero understanding of sketch writing.
Well lets be honest few regular critique posters seem to have made it much further than Newsjack and Newsrevue. There's a few exceptions and all that but mostly we seem to amuse ourselves.
Maybe there just aren't that many opportunities, maybe we're unlucky, maybe most of us suck.
I probably do.
It's weird that I only ever got success, with seems to be with bland, inofenssive stuff.
Quote: Harridan @ October 5 2013, 12:00 PM BSTWell, that's a very unsophisticated form of humour based on denigrating people who have less power than you. Jokes about archetypes within specific groups are fine, jokes stereotyping women/black people/gay people/trans people reinforce stereotypes and negatively affect the lives of people in those groups.
For the record, I find women making stereotypical jokes about how ALL men behave just as tedious as jokes about how ALL women behave. There is a difference, though, in that there is no history of men being denied rights on the basis of their supposed inability to keep it in their pants or multitask, whereas the equally false notion that women are overly emotional and ditzy has informed the way women have had to live.
Nobody would be on this site if they were genuinely humourless - where would the attraction be? There is a reason that comedy has moved away from mother-in-law jokes and blackface and it's not because everyone's too cowardly to be honest.
But take it away and what have you got left? The increasingly unfunny soup we're being force fed by TV.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ October 5 2013, 12:15 PM BSTBut take it away and what have you got left? The increasingly unfunny soup we're being force fed by TV.
There's plenty of funny stuff around that doesn't utilise denigrating stereotypes, I think the problem with the current crop of TV comedy is that it is all erring on the side of safety rather than being risky. All the panel shows are homogenising with the same guests being recycled, the sitcoms seem aimed at specific audiences resulting in patronising/simplistic/alienating rubbish, and the stand-up on TV is all the same faces who have proven themselves already. It has nothing to do with a Guardian-Reading PC Brigade Lefty Liberal Sandal-Wearing Vegetarian Alliance.
Agreed.
TV comedy and more so radio is terribly risk averse.
It's annoying that the exciting, challenging stuff is coming from the US more and more.
A pet hate of mine in critique is false positives. When people praise flawed work, well why? Do you want some praise from someone whose not as a good a writer as you?
Why don't you just stare in the mirror and give yourself a thumbs up?
I don't claim to be a particularly great or success writer. But I get stuff like, using jokes or semi naturalistic language.
So when I see someone who has the same skills, praising blindly, someone who clearly doesn't.
It just ruins critique and it's dull as anything.
Quote: sootyj @ October 5 2013, 12:02 PM BSTWell lets be honest few regular critique posters seem to have made it much further than Newsjack and Newsrevue. There's a few exceptions and all that but mostly we seem to amuse ourselves.
Of course, hence saying that most had stopped posting because they have given up; and while some stay on the forum to enjoy the craic, a lot just drift away.
I was making the point that we are getting a lot of stuff posted in Critique by people who simply don't have a clue, often receiving unmerited praise from other people who don't have a clue, which is going to deter people who do know their comedy onions from posting. And these are people who would have gone on to enrich the Comedy and General Discussion forums.
I know Aaron finds Critique, an embarrassment, and I don't blame him, but maintaining its health is important to the success of the site.
Me too, I love fair and even harsh feedback.
Critique seems to be the definition of art for art's sake.
Quote: Nogget @ October 5 2013, 12:01 PM BSTAnd saying someone is 'Welsh' is definitely an insult.
The correct PC term is of course 'sheepshagger'.
Curiously most Welsh people I know do not seem to be remotely offended by this; Cardiff City fans even seem to have adopted the name for themselves as a defence mechanism, a bit like Spurs fans calling themselves Yids.
Quote: Harridan @ October 5 2013, 12:00 PM BSTWell, that's a very unsophisticated form of humour based on denigrating people who have less power than you.
Not at all, it's not all as extreme as that rigid evaluation, the nasty stuff is, but that's never been more than a portion of it. So much of it is just light difference conscious social humour. Nor do so many of the people you speak for find it so alienating or offensive either, imo. I've been on social occasions with India continental Asians, not asked what their religion is, someone's made a joke or two your Guardian reader would have a convulsion over and they've genuinely enjoyed it. That is an instance of unPC humour being genuinely inclusive and a greater force for integration than your puritanical bolt faced PC 'Not allowed to mention it' formality will ever do! That to me is the real evil.
Where does that get us? Absolutely nowhere, and it doesn't understand that groups actually want to be a bit more unPC themselves, it's patronising and fundamentally wrong in its assessment of racial groups in particular. It's a well known urban myth or fact, it doesn't matter either way to me, that the guy who came up with the 'Why aren't Asians good at football?' joke was an Asian, just as the person who first aired it on a TV show in the 90s was. You mixed with a group of Asian males ever? they love humour and banter as much as anyone and have no problem with the type of humour above.