Marijuana/Cannabis. Page 3

Quote: Shandonbelle @ June 29 2012, 1:44 PM BST

If you mean move on and don't bother with drugs again, I can agree that happens a lot too, but some get sucked in deeper, same as social drinkers can take or leave drink, others become raging alcoholics.

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Sure, but I do wonder how many more people would actually take up smoking it if it was legal; I mean, even with the current situation, who hasn't tried it, or at least been more than able to if they wanted? It's not like it's out of anyones reach, or that there's loads of people who would do it but don't because it's against the law. I wouldn't think so, anyway. I suppose more people would be persuaded to carry on with it as a habit if they could just pick it up at a shop with their morning papers, however. So more people would have a more prolonged relationship with it than otherwise.

Quote: Shandonbelle @ June 29 2012, 1:49 PM BST

Not so much causes but triggers a disposition, alcohol can do the same but more commonly occurs as a result of long term abuse, with drugs it can be instantaneous/ or over a period of time.

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Drugs is far too much of an open term. I haven't heard before that one instance of smoking MJ, the THC can trigger underlying mental health issues. Of course LSD on the other hand...

Quote: Nat Wicks @ June 29 2012, 1:58 PM BST

Drugs is far too much of an open term. I haven't heard before that one instance of smoking MJ, the THC can trigger underlying mental health issues
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Crack can be pretty much instantly addictive, and there's strong weed around these days like skunk that can be even more problematic.

Quote: Nat Wicks @ June 29 2012, 12:04 PM BST

the amount of cash the government could make out of even taxing the stuff would be enough to pull us out of recession.

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My stoner friends say the same thing. They also claim that hemp will save the world's economy, like listening to horrible jam bands and spend a lot of time sitting on the couch with blank expressions.

Today's weed is 10x to 20x stronger than the mild stuff we smoked back in the 70s and early 80s. I haven't partaken in a decade, mainly due to job concerns but mostly due to the fact that it feels like a real drug now. My neighbor is an occasional smoker and is now hobbling around in a knee brace because he took 3 big bong hits and passed out a few minutes later, smashing his head on a table and tearing his ACL. That kind of thing never happened with the mellow stuff we smoked back in the good old days.

If the government is ever going to license/tax it they'll have to source it from reliable pharmaceutical farms and regulate and reduce the levels of THC. Hippies will tear out their dreads in anger, because while they'll campaign against genetically modified foodstuffs, they'll happily smoke superweed created by a shady criminal with 2 semesters of genetics under his belt.

Most of all, there needs to be a reliable and legal method of testing for impairment/intoxication. Such methods exist for people who drive or work while drunk, so there needs to be a similar test so that people who are stoned out of their minds aren't driving buses or doing mechanical work on passenger jets.

Quote: Nat Wicks @ June 29 2012, 1:58 PM BST

I haven't heard before that one instance of smoking MJ, the THC can trigger underlying mental health issues.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU

Quote: Shandonbelle @ June 29 2012, 2:09 PM BST

like skunk that can be even more problematic.

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This is another procuct of the illegality though in my eyes. In the same way it's illegal to sell alcohol over a certain percentage, it could easily be illegal to sell seeds which procuse plants with a certain THC output.

Quote: DaButt @ June 29 2012, 2:14 PM BST

If the government is ever going to license/tax it they'll have to source it from reliable pharmaceutical farms and regulate and reduce the levels of THC. Hippies will tear out their dreads in anger, because while they'll campaign against genetically modified foodstuffs, they'll happily smoke superweed created by a shady criminal with 2 semesters of genetics under his belt.

Most of all, there needs to be a reliable and legal method of testing for impairment/intoxication. Such methods exist for people who drive or work while drunk, so there needs to be a similar test so that people who are stoned out of their minds aren't driving buses or doing mechanical work on passenger jets.

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Agreed on both points.

Quote: DaButt @ June 29 2012, 2:14 PM BST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU

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HA! Brilliant. Bloody idiot.

How many mentally iLl tokers
Were ill before they started smoking and are simply self medicating?

And thc is much more benign than opiates for pain or antipsychotics

But as many have already said in careful measured doses

Skunk v dope is like prison hooch v a nice red wine

Quote: Shandonbelle @ June 29 2012, 1:31 PM BST

I've seen plenty of patients presenting with cannabis induced paranoia..

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That's your opinion, but it's not backed up by current research. There has been no correlative rise in mental health problems per capita since the 1960s, when it became popular to smoke such stuff.

Quote: Shandonbelle @ June 29 2012, 2:09 PM BST

Crack can be pretty much instantly addictive, and there's strong weed around these days like skunk that can be even more problematic.

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This is just bunkum. Even more problematic than crack? Are you kidding? There is no scientific proof of any physical addiction attributed to cannabinoids.

Quote: DaButt @ June 29 2012, 2:11 PM BST

Today's weed is 10x to 20x stronger than the mild stuff we smoked back in the 70s and early 80s.

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No it isn't. It's nowhere near as strong as those cannabinoids that used to be available. That's another myth, coming out of current laboratory research in which they manage to produce strains that were deemed ultra-strong. The trouble is with that is that they don't have stocks of the old school cannabinoids with which to compare their findings.

The average skunk on the streets of today? Pretty mild stuff imo.

Quote: DaButt @ June 29 2012, 2:14 PM BST

My stoner friends say the same thing. They also claim that hemp will save the world's economy, like listening to horrible jam bands and spend a lot of time sitting on the couch with blank expressions.

Today's weed is 10x to 20x stronger than the mild stuff we smoked back in the 70s and early 80s. I haven't partaken in a decade, mainly due to job concerns but mostly due to the fact that it feels like a real drug now. My neighbor is an occasional smoker and is now hobbling around in a knee brace because he took 3 big bong hits and passed out a few minutes later, smashing his head on a table and tearing his ACL. That kind of thing never happened with the mellow stuff we smoked back in the good old days.

If the government is ever going to license/tax it they'll have to source it from reliable pharmaceutical farms and regulate and reduce the levels of THC. Hippies will tear out their dreads in anger, because while they'll campaign against genetically modified foodstuffs, they'll happily smoke superweed created by a shady criminal with 2 semesters of genetics under his belt.

Most of all, there needs to be a reliable and legal method of testing for impairment/intoxication. Such methods exist for people who drive or work while drunk, so there needs to be a similar test so that people who are stoned out of their minds aren't driving buses or doing mechanical work on passenger jets.

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All of that, plus putting into place the infrastructure to cope with the social impacts of substance abuse...which we will end up whistling for as usual.

Quote: Nat Wicks @ June 29 2012, 2:18 PM BST

In the same way it's illegal to sell alcohol over a certain percentage, it could easily be illegal to sell seeds which procuse plants with a certain THC output.

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As far as I know, these days everyone uses cloned clippings from existing plants, not seeds.

HA! Brilliant. Bloody idiot.

And now you know what a Michigan accent sounds like.

Quote: Stylee TingTing @ June 29 2012, 2:23 PM BST

That's your opinion, but it's not backed up by current research. There has been no correlative rise in mental health problems per capita since the 1960s, when it became popular to smoke such stuff.

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The money is not being spent on research...that's the woeful reality.

Quote: Stylee TingTing @ June 29 2012, 2:23 PM BST

This is just bunkum. Even more problematic than crack? Are you kidding? There is no scientific proof of any physical addiction attributed to cannabinoids.

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That's not what I meant...I meant skunk is more problematic that cannabis.

Can we all just agree that drugs are a tremendous amount of fun and that anyone who hasn't done enough of them is a big old square?

Quote: David Bussell @ June 29 2012, 2:29 PM BST

Can we all just agree that drugs are a tremendous amount of fun and that anyone who hasn't done enough of them is a big old square?

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Isnt drugs youre nickname for Stott and Laws?

Drugs are great if you use them responsibly. Unfortunately, stoned people aren't very responsible.

Now where did I put that hash cake recipe.

Quote: Stylee TingTing @ June 29 2012, 2:23 PM BST

No it isn't. It's nowhere near as strong as those cannabinoids that used to be available.

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Absolute nonsense. In the late 70s nobody sold weed in smaller quantities than an ounce. The typical price was $25 for a Ziploc baggie that would barely close and would create quite a spectacle when shoved down the front of the era's tight jeans. When we smoked we would roll huge joints (no tobacco, as RC noted) and most of the time each person smoked at least a couple of them by himself.

I would typically smoke a joint by myself in the morning while showering, say goodbye to my parents, meet my friends for another few joints, head to school, smoke a few at lunchtime, finish school, smoke a few on the way home, go to work flipping burgers and then smoke a few more after work.

Now the stuff is sold by the gram at prices 30x higher and a couple of hits are enough to put a person in a veritable coma. Believe it or not, THC content has increased dramatically over the last 30 years.