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Steve Jobs 1955 -2011 Page 5

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But the Mac also set a negative pattern that Jobs was to repeat with greater amplification later in his life. In two respects; first, it was a slick repackaging of design ideas from an engineering tradition that long predated Jobs (in this case, going back to the pioneering Xerox PARC WIMP interfaces of the early 1970s). Which would be fine, except that Jobs created a myth that arrogated that innovation to himself and threw the actual pioneers down the memory hole.

Second, even while Jobs was posing as a hip liberator from the empire of the beige box, he was in fact creating a hardware and software system so controlling and locked down that the case couldn't even be opened without a special cracking tool. The myth was freedom, but the reality was Jobs's way or the highway. Such was Jobs's genius as a marketer that he was able to spin that contradiction as a kind of artistic integrity, and gain praise for it when he should have been slammed for hypocrisy.

Actually this guy, Dennis Richie (who also just died), had a greater impact on computing technology than Steve Jobs, but he is probably not known to "the man in the street".

He 'invented' Unix and the language C; both of which are the bases of almost all current computer operating systems.

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Quote: billwill @ October 14 2011, 2:03 AM BST

Actually this guy, Dennis Richie (who also just died), had a greater impact on computing technology than Steve Jobs, but he is probably not known to "the man in the street".

He 'invented' Unix and the language C; both of which are the bases of almost all current computer operating systems.

I know who he was and Apple's OS X (to me, the best thing they've ever created) wouldn't be here if it weren't for Unix.

Quote: Bill Jaguar @ October 8 2011, 8:45 PM BST

I have never once wondered how the idea of fonts came about. Now that you have told me I feel I should weep at nothing, Fonts are not a revolution anyway.
I have never cared for the origins of the mac, or computers. Frankly somehow, I'm not at all sure how (sarcasm), but we could have coped without Jobs and his ideas dressed up as "innovations".
So basically Mr Taxi, kindly take your face away from me, as it was merely my opinion. None of those things are a revolution, they are an addition at best.

It's strangely poignant in a thread remembering Steve Jobs that someone whose brain is scarcely irrigated by blood or oxygen should boast about his own ignorance and lack of wonder.

I bet your hare-lipped ancestors complained when Gutenburg invented the printing press and pointed out that we already had books - albeit hand-written ones.

Incidentally it was about that time (1440) that there was still mileage in drawing attention to when you're being sarcastic for comic effect.

Quote: Kevin Murphy @ October 10 2011, 9:13 PM BST

Apple is a closed shop, antithetical to everything that has contributed to the success of the internet to date.

It's a barrier to innovation nowadays.

Absolute f**king shit.

Apple computers and mobile devices use HTML, CSS, JavaScript and H.264 all of which are open standards that Apple does not control. Apple computers also use flash which is a proprietary system controlled and owned by Adobe.

Mac OS is proprietary, but so is Windows. As for holding back the internet Apple has given the world an open source web standard - Webkit. It powers Apple browsers, Chrome and all mobile browsers except Microsoft's, including Android's, Nokia's and Blackberry's.

Apple computers will run windows (as well as linux, ubuntu etc). Apple make versions of their Web browser for Windows and versions of their media player and codec. Microsoft don't make a version of Internet Explorer that you can use on a mac and haven't for about eight years. They do not make a version of Windows Media Player or their WMV codec. They rely on third party solutions for converting video and audio codecs which is incomplete. You can find hundreds of files on the web that VLC and Flip For Mac just can't play.

Incidentally Apple computers have always opened and recognised Windows files - even back in the 80s. You couldn't say the same for Windows - so far from being closed Apple has always been geared more to cross platform compatibility.

Quote: billwill @ October 14 2011, 2:03 AM BST

Actually this guy, Dennis Richie (who also just died), had a greater impact on computing technology than Steve Jobs, but he is probably not known to "the man in the street".

He 'invented' Unix and the language C; both of which are the bases of almost all current computer operating systems.

Dennis Richie was incredibly important. R.I.P..

Quote: DaButt @ October 14 2011, 2:50 AM BST

I know who he was and Apple's OS X (to me, the best thing they've ever created) wouldn't be here if it weren't for Unix.

Indeed.

But can I load any program I'd like on my iPhone?

Nope.

Flash?

Nope.

Access the file system or a terminal window?

Nope.

Quote: Godot Taxis @ October 15 2011, 12:41 AM BST

It's strangely poignant in a thread remembering Steve Jobs that someone whose brain is scarcely irrigated by blood or oxygen should boast about his own ignorance and lack of wonder.

I bet your hare-lipped ancestors complained when Gutenburg invented the printing press and pointed out that we already had books - albeit hand-written ones.

Incidentally it was about that time (1440) that there was still mileage in drawing attention to when you're being sarcastic for comic effect.

Poignant? There is nothing poignant about anyone who doesn't have blood and therefore oxygen flowing around their brain. Although I think Jobs is now a good paradigm for that now don't you? Smarmy No offence to Jobs himself of course, but what is funny however is that Apple and their ex-mascot have got you wrapped around their finger haven't they? You are just like the others. Blindly licking every bit of their crap they release, celebrating their figurehead like a god, living in what is rather futile and pathetic existence if you didn't have those two to comfort you. Tribes, even of though they are facing extinction (in a manner of speaking) nowadays, have more manners, sophistication and most certainly consideration than you.

So here is my little thought: get off the Apple cart and try riding the horse once in while.

Quote: Bill Jaguar @ October 15 2011, 10:53 AM BST

Poignant? There is nothing poignant about anyone who doesn't have blood and therefore oxygen flowing around their brain. Although I think Jobs is now a good paradigm for that now don't you? Smarmy No offence to Jobs himself of course, but what is funny however is that Apple and their ex-mascot have got you wrapped around their finger haven't they? You are just like the others. Blindly licking every bit of their crap they release, celebrating their figurehead like a god, living in what is rather futile and pathetic existence if you didn't have those two to comfort you. Tribes, even of though they are facing extinction (in a manner of speaking) nowadays, have more manners, sophistication and most certainly consideration than you.

So here is my little thought: get off the Apple cart and try riding the horse once in while.

I started using Apple computers for work 25 years ago. The trouble is a lot of you anti-Apple types don't seem to realise that there wasn't a PC alternative in those days. PCs couldn't even display graphics - we were typesetting books and printing them on the first postscript laser-printers - Apple made printers in those days. It's not that there wasn't a good PC alternative - there wasn't ANY pc alternative.

All graphic designers who lived through the evolution of Apple Macs love Apple. They gave us so much and made our job so easy. What is so hard to understand is why anybody would be so anti-Apple when they've done so much to computing- all computing what it is today.

I had a Granny Smith today it gave me the colly wobbles.

F**k Apple up the arse I say.

Quote: Godot Taxis @ October 15 2011, 9:43 PM BST

I started using Apple computers for work 25 years ago. The trouble is a lot of you anti-Apple types don't seem to realise that there wasn't a PC alternative in those days. PCs couldn't even display graphics - we were typesetting books and printing them on the first postscript laser-printers - Apple made printers in those days. It's not that there wasn't a good PC alternative - there wasn't ANY pc alternative.

All graphic designers who lived through the evolution of Apple Macs love Apple. They gave us so much and made our job so easy. What is so hard to understand is why anybody would be so anti-Apple when they've done so much to computing- all computing what it is today.

So it is mostly nostalgia to you then? Sort of staying with the original are you? "These modern computers are rubbish, back in my day you when you typed in a single letter you could have a cup of tea and go to the bank and back before the computer managed to process that letter. Them were the days."

I'm not anti-Apple, not really. I'm just anti-steve-jobs-revolutionised-our-lifes.

Also, "they gave us so much" is not really correct. No doubt someone had to pay for the tech; maybe you for your own Apple gadgets/systems maybe a room as well to accommodate them, the company more than likely had to pay for whatever it was they were using. It is sort of like saying: "Sainsbury's has done so much for us. They have made getting out food easier. Mr Sainsburys revolutionised out lives." It is not right at all, you said so yourself, it made your life/job easier, not revolutionised.

Not really nostalgia Bill, I work with computers - I use a Mac and PCs every day. PCs have come a long way. When you're up to your nuts in CS5 it's easy to forget which one you're using, until you have to import a file or send an email.

Productivity is better with a Mac for small reasons - previewing files with Quicklook - boot up and shutdown time is quicker and Outlook is a piece of shit. It uses Words html rendering engine for f**ksake.

The problem I have with the Jobs and Apple haters is they don't seem to realise how much of Windows and the PC is down to Apple. Everything from the philosophy and operation of the GUI to hardware standards and the design of the computer. Apple users don't deny IBM's contribution to their Macs, or Microsoft's.

A lot of it is just ignorance, seeing an ipod ad and thinking Apple is just some sort of glorified mp3 vendor when in fact they have been at the forefront of driving innovation in computing over the last twenty years.

Quote: DaButt @ October 15 2011, 10:22 AM BST

But can I load any program I'd like on my iPhone?

Nope.

Flash?

Nope.

Access the file system or a terminal window?

Nope.

I'm not really sure what you're saying here but there isn't anything you can't do on an iPhone that you can on an Android one. I'm not interested in iPhone vs Android wars - the iPhone came to market before Android which is reflected in the greater number of apps available - about twice as many. Many of them have more features than the Android version - for example the Android version of Skype has only recently incorporated video calling - I know because my girlfriend's been awaiting it eagerly - trouble is it only works with the rear camera on her phone. :D This is an unavoidable consequence of supporting many different hardware platforms and allowing manufacturers to modify the OS at a hardware level. This will always mean that the iPhone experience will be less trouble free - which I gather is the point, but buy which one suits your needs, it's good that there's a choice.

Well you know good for them, but it is hard to like them when you miss out on that sort of stuff. All we have now though, are these Apple idiots who shout at you for not wasting money on the newest iteration. Having never had an Apple product in my life, it is very hard to relate.

Quote: Godot Taxis @ October 15 2011, 11:16 PM BST

I'm not really sure what you're saying here but there isn't anything you can't do on an iPhone that you can on an Android one.

Forget about IOS vs. Android, I'm complaining about Apple's heavy-handedness when it comes to what I'm allowed to load/run on my iPhone. And this is coming from someone who has owned an Apple IIe, 2 iMacs, 2 Macbooks, 2 Mac Minis, 2 iPods, 4 iPhones and spent almost a decade laying out newspaper pages on Macs.

Now he's gone do you think Apple will crumble?

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ October 16 2011, 9:56 AM BST

Now he's gone do you think Apple will crumble?

When Steve Jobs left Apple the first time, Apple did seem to lose direction or so 'tis said.

He rejoined & brought Apple back to is state of 'perfection', or so 'tis said.

Oddly enough, one of the devices made in his first abcence, was the Newton personal organiser, with handwriting recognition. It was said that he hated that & dropped it from production, yet now under his second phase, much of Apple's income came from the iPod, leading to the iPhone and now the iPad and the iPhone & iPad have many of the features derived from that Newton.

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