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The problem with contemporary satire Page 2

This is a fascinating question and there are basically two views. One is that satire is self-defeating as it presents an alternative but wants you to laugh at it, so the alternative is portrayed as ridiculous hence confirming the establishment. The other is that comedy can go beyond isn't-my-mother-in-law-ugly to address important issues and draw attention to them. Hmm.
Incidentally when I was a teen one of our major satirists was Ben Elton who now has his tongue wedged firmly up the posterior of the people he mocked. But that's another story. And Bob Monkhouse, a major talent but about as mainstream as they come, once quipped, 'I'm proud to be British, we're the healthiest nation on Earth... Of course we are, why else would they be closing down all the hospitals?'

Quote: Michael Monkhouse @ August 13 2011, 3:08 PM BST

'I'm proud to be British, we're the healthiest nation on Earth... Of course we are, why else would they be closing down all the hospitals?'

Laughing out loud He had his moments did ol' Bob.

This is a very interesting topic. Not sure if this is relevant but I believe credit must be given to Charlie Brooker who in my mind is a proper modern satirist. OK he's no Peter Cook but he does highlight many issuses facing our society, mainly the media and how it affects us, and I have yet to have heard him say something I disagree with.

Someone said - and I don't know if it's been mentioned here - that apparently you can only have good satire when there's a Tory government.

Is then the absence of decent satire at present evidence of the LibDems moderating influence?

Anyway I suspect that that adage predates New Labour.

Is Satire exclusive to Politics?

Quote: Chappers @ August 14 2011, 7:22 PM BST

Someone said - and I don't know if it's been mentioned here - that apparently you can only have good satire when there's a Tory government.

It is interesting you bring that up. In the past it was usually the other way around (well depending on how you define the term Tory, I suppose); satirists were more often than not traditionalists, even if somewhat anti-elite or populist.

Maybe we should get Ann Widdecombe or Peter Hitchens to write satire.

Quote: Westcountryman @ August 15 2011, 12:43 AM BST

Maybe we should get Ann Widdecombe or Peter Hitchens to write satire.

I thought they did.

You know I knew someone would make such a comment. Don't you think it was a little too easy? Doesn't it make you feel a bit dirty?

Quote: Westcountryman @ August 15 2011, 11:55 AM BST

You know I knew someone would make such a comment. Don't you think it was a little too easy? Doesn't it make you feel a bit dirty?

No.

Quote: Westcountryman @ August 15 2011, 11:55 AM BST

Don't you think it was a little too easy? Doesn't it make you feel a bit dirty?

You are quite new to BCG aren't you?

I've also read satirical pieces by Simon Heffer in which he "imagines" Britain in 2015. It was all uninspiring stuff about Europe forcing us to sell straight bananas and call manhole covers peoplehole covers. That's the sort of satire you'd get from Hitch & Widdi.

Quote: chipolata @ August 15 2011, 1:36 PM BST

I've also read satirical pieces by Simon Heffer in which he "imagines" Britain in 2015. It was all uninspiring stuff about Europe forcing us to sell straight bananas and call manhole covers peoplehole covers. That's the sort of satire you'd get from Hitch & Widdi.

Maybe Heffer was just practicising? Like a creative writing exercise. Because if you can't mock Brussels well then you can't mock anything well.

I thought the other, tiresome, brother was called Hitch?

I'd love to see some right wing satire, I just struggle to think of any interesting right wing comedians, thinkers or writers out there at the moment. Any suggestions welcome.

I'm not really sure what rightwing means to be honest, just as I'm not sure what leftwing means. You get big government rightwingers and leftwingers and small government rightwingers and leftwingers, libertarian leftwingers and rightwingers and authoritarian leftwingers and rightwingers and the same with just about all of the various, major issues.

If you mean traditional conservatives, like myself, and those only around now I certainly cannot think of any satirists or comedians off the top of my head. Though whether this reflects worse on them or today's comedy I'm not sure. I can think of a few good, political and social commentators; the afore mentioned Peter Hitchens, Roger Scruton, Pat Buchanan and Thomas Fleming.

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