Quote: chipolata @ September 17 2010, 10:31 AM BSTYou don't know what gets to me, Ellie. I'm an enigma wrapped in a mystery shrouded in puzzle!
I know I get to you... me and all my sexual shizzle.
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Quote: sootyj @ September 17 2010, 10:28 AM BSTWell the last bunch of avowed secularists were rather unpleasant.
Stalin, Mao etc. And I don't know how well our society is holding up.
OMG you're right! If we abolish faith schools and the Lords Spiritual, millions could die!!!1
Quote: EllieJP @ September 17 2010, 10:33 AM BSTme and all my sexual shizzle.
No I mean that religion is an integral part of our psyche. Even if we're avowedly secular.
You can't just yank it out as something will fill the vacumn often less pleasant.
Faith schools aren't such a problem. It's their power, funding and independence that's the issue.
Quote: sootyj @ September 17 2010, 10:35 AM BSTFaith schools aren't such a problem.
Tell that to the Northern Irish.
Quote: sootyj @ September 17 2010, 10:35 AM BSTYou can't just yank it out as something will fill the vacumn often less pleasant.
Possibly. The US has an ostensibly secular society, and yet they have some of the nuttiest religious loons on the planet.
Quote: Kevin Murphy @ September 17 2010, 10:24 AM BSTDon't confuse secularism with atheism.
No, you shouldn't.
Quote: Aaron @ September 17 2010, 10:37 AM BSTNo, you shouldn't.
I didn't. I thought you were. If you weren't, fair enough.
Quote: Kevin Murphy @ September 17 2010, 10:37 AM BSTTell that to the Northern Irish.
Possibly. The US has an ostensibly secular society, and yet they have some of the nuttiest religious loons on the planet.
Those US nutters are way closer to a right wing political movement masquerading as a faith group.
Quote: sootyj @ September 17 2010, 10:43 AM BSTThose US nutters are way closer to a right wing political movement masquerading as a faith group.
Yes. They also challenge the very notion that their country should be secular. Scary people.
Tim Minchin's "Pope Song"
Quote: sootyj @ September 17 2010, 10:28 AM BSTWell the last bunch of avowed secularists were rather unpleasant.
Stalin, Mao
They had the 'cult of leader', which required worship of the faithful much like any other religion.
Quote: Kevin Murphy @ September 17 2010, 11:39 AM BSTTim Minchin's "Pope Song"
Quote: Scatterbrained Floozy @ September 17 2010, 11:47 AM BSThttp://stef.io/2010/9/the-popes-speech-venn-style
Quote: Nogget @ September 17 2010, 11:43 AM BSTThey had the 'cult of leader', which required worship of the faithful much like any other religion.
I've heard Dawkins et al make that comparison before, but I don't really buy it. They were just psychopaths. There's no real need to make them into quasi-popes.