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Quote: zooo @ July 23 2010, 10:32 AM BSTThere's a turn up!
I know, it's made my day! 
Nice to fit in with management for once! x5
Aaron, legally Twitter is considered "broadcasting", so if you think it's alright to steal material and put it out on Twitter then presumably you don't see a problem with ripping off radio and TV shows and rebroadcasting them?
Cheggers is a plagiarist, he's promoting himself off the back of others hard work, I can't really get my head around why people can't understand that the people who do the hard work are a bit annoyed with him as he's not crediting them, it's stealing pure and simple.
Yes, it's not the biggest crime in the world but then neither is vandalism or sexual harrassment (and I'm not equating this with those but just making a point) but you wouldn't tell the victims of those crimes to get a life or a sense of humour.
Tony, I agree with you up to a point but let the courts decide.
If any of the so-called original writers want to make a legal case against Chegwin, then they should.
Let them do that.
Then let them accept the outcome, like the rest of us have to.
Quote: Frankie Rage @ July 23 2010, 10:43 AM BSTTony, I agree with you up to a point but let the courts decide.
If any of the so-called original writers want to make a legal case against Chegwin, then they should.
Let them do that.
Then let them accept the outcome, like the rest of us have to.
We'll see what happens, Milton Jones, Lee Mack, Jimmy Carr etc have been very quiet about this so far (all have had jokes stolen by Chegwin), be interesting to see what their management companies do.
Jimmy Carr has already fought and won a law suit against Jim Davidson for plagiarism.
As for "up-and-coming" comics like me though, what recourse do I have if someone blatantly steals one of my jokes? I can't afford to take anyone to court.
Quote: Tony Cowards @ July 23 2010, 10:40 AM BSTAaron, legally Twitter is considered "broadcasting", so if you think it's alright to steal material and put it out on Twitter then presumably you don't see a problem with ripping off radio and TV shows and rebroadcasting them?
Cheggers is a plagiarist, he's promoting himself off the back of others hard work, I can't really get my head around why people can't understand that the people who do the hard work are a bit annoyed with him as he's not crediting them, it's stealing pure and simple.
Is he promoting himself, or is all of this fuss promoting him? I wasn't aware he was a Twitter user until all of this blew up, and I can imagine many others didn't know either. I certainly don't know about any product or programme that he might be involved with. It'd be very interesting to see how many followers he had before this all started, and how many he has now.
Can you point me to a court case where the precedent of classifying Twitter as 'broadcasting' was set?
Quote: Tony Cowards @ July 23 2010, 10:47 AM BSTAs for "up-and-coming" comics like me though, what recourse do I have if someone blatantly steals one of my jokes? I can't afford to take anyone to court.
I know. It's tough near the bottom of the deck. Same on the song writing front (my passion). I think also the same on the Sitcom writing front. The poor man pays for all, they do say.
Hopefully, you'll make it anyway!
I think people do understand why Chegwin has annoyed Joke writers.
Even joke writers who have had nothing actually stolen by him (that might be even more annoying)
He's been named, shamed mentioned in the papers & everyone seems to have enjoyed broadcasting anti Cheggers stuff on Twitter.
Not everyones going to care that much & different people are going to have slightly different opinions on the subject.
Personally it's put me off following some of the joke writers on Twitter as if I'm not following them then I have less chance of ever being accused of plagiarism If I happen to have the same idea as someone when entering the weekly joke competition.
Mr Sunshine you have just hit on one of the most contentious areas of this complex debate about artistic copyright - having the same idea as someone is not an infringement of copyright, or the mega powerful BBC wouldn't be able to use it as their main excuse to rejected writers for why they've just seen so and so do their material on so and so prog. The legal protection for same or similar ideas is virually non existent and ofcourse that favours the established artists or broadcasters who contract them.
Quote: Aaron @ July 23 2010, 10:48 AM BSTIs he promoting himself, or is all of this fuss promoting him? I wasn't aware he was a Twitter user until all of this blew up, and I can imagine many others didn't know either. I certainly don't know about any product or programme that he might be involved with. It'd be very interesting to see how many followers he had before this all started, and how many he has now.
Can you point me to a court case where the precedent of classifying Twitter as 'broadcasting' was set?
If you look at his Twitter page he's promoting something called "Cheggers Bingo" and as a celeb anything that raises his profile is, ultimately, helping him to earn a living.
I admit that unfortunately the consequence of all this is that he's actually gaining followers, it's a bit of a paradox, lots of his followers are applauding him for sticking it to the "unfunny comedians" without realizing the irony that these "unfunny comedians" are the ones providing him with his material.
Cheggers is actually breaking the terms and conditions of twitter, see below;
Copyright Policy
Twitter respects the intellectual property rights of others and expects users of the Services to do the same. We will respond to notices of alleged copyright infringement that comply with applicable law and are properly provided to us. If you believe that your Content has been copied in a way that constitutes copyright infringement, please provide us with the following information:
(i) a physical or electronic signature of the copyright owner or a person authorized to act on their behalf;
(ii) identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed;
(iii) identification of the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity and that is to be removed or access to which is to be disabled, and information reasonably sufficient to permit us to locate the material;
(iv) your contact information, including your address, telephone number, and an email address;
(v) a statement by you that you have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law; and (vi) a statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and, under penalty of perjury, that you are authorized to act on behalf of the copyright owner.
We reserve the right to remove Content alleged to be infringing without prior notice and at our sole discretion. In appropriate circumstances, Twitter will also terminate a user's account if the user is determined to be a repeat infringer.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ July 23 2010, 11:20 AM BSTartistic copyright - having the same idea as someone is not an infringement of copyright,
The way it tends to work with artwork is that you can copy someone else's work almost completely, just so long as you have put your own original twist on it. What's not permitted is to simply reproduce the work exactly and claim it as your own. It sounds like he is more guilty of the latter than the former.
I have a Cheggars story; an ex of mine wrote a blog, which is read by about 20 people, and mentioned his name slightly disparagingly, implying that he has done some naff work. He contacted her about this and had a bit of a go at her for it, which makes him appear both petty, and possibly obsessed with Googling his own name down to the last page.
In that case, Hi Keith! 
He has a sad history of this, he sued Viz for trying to destroy his career and liveylhood. Two things here, 1 Chegwin, there aren't enough readers of Viz for that to have an impact. 2 There are other jobs you could do, why insist on annoying us all with your desparate to be famous, cringey public performances? Kindly sod off. Hmm, I spose now I'll have to check my inbox later, ah well.
I can see the headlines now
Cheggers Clobbers Kipper after Twitter Tittle Tattle Battle
The Sun would be proud of that!