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For what it's worth, my take on stereotype is this.

All the best comedy characters are stereotypes. Meldrew, Del Boy, Brent etc. But the stereotype is just the skeleton you hang the comedy 'meat' off. It's all about layers. If a gay character is just there because he's a funny camp gay without depth or layers (and I'm not saying yours is) then that's just lazy stereotyping, especially if its a main character. You can get away with it (slightly) more if it's just someone that occasionally pops up in a script.

I don't really agree that it's a fine line to tread - the distinction between bad and good stereotyping is very clear. Good stereotypes have layers and inner conflicts and a very real sense of their own being, just liuke real people do.

For instance if you have an Indian character, does he eat curry and drive a taxi for a living? Maybe. But if you leave it there it's just lazy and insulting. Whereas if he eats curry and drives a taxi but harbours a secret desire to become a stand-up comedian like his idol Bernard Manning, and he constantly tries out his act on his horrified captive taxi audience, then you've still got a stereotype but a stereotype that's being subverted, and that's infinitely more interesting than him being there for no other reason than to shake his head from side-to-side and say "Goodness gracious me." :)

EDIT - A reply to a BB post about lack of time to establish multi-layered character, since deleted. Apols.

Yep but you don't need loads of screen time to build up character depth. Moments after we're introduced to Niles in the Fraiser pilot, he wipes down a proffered seat with a hankie. One three second gesture establishes character and adds a new layer faster than any expositionary dialogue, and it gets a laugh too. Perfection.
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BB could I read your sitcom? The reason I posted originally was because what you wrote was very condesending. You made the characters black because "blacks don't get much work". However if your sitcom is as good as you say, then I'd like to have a read if that's ok?

I am trying to understand all this and I'm sorry I deleted my post SlagA, I can't really explain what I mean so I deleted it.
Regarding the Indian taxi driver, there are thousands of Asian taxi drivers that most likely eat curry so is it not more insulting never to portray them as that and as long as they are funny and make the audience laugh, why would that be wrong.
The gay in Gimmie Gimmie just has me in stitches and he is stereotyped and is an actor, but it doesn't cross my mind that he's a stereotype. Who sets these rules? Isn't the purpose of a sitcom to make people laugh?
Yes I don't mind emailing the piece to you Wayne as long as the criticism is constructive. Let me have your email in a PM :) It would be Word's document

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ May 11 2010, 6:35 PM BST

Do you trust the person who gave you feedback's judgement? Do they have a good track record and/or they someone whose opinion you trust?

If the answer's "no" to the above, then you could just forget their comments. :)

They are regarded as being 'worth' it, and I should take their feedback gracefully I guess, but I'd no idea there was so much 'hassle' about stereotyping. I just write 'funny' and if that character is gay, so be it. Well, I mean funny imo, I only put stuff in that makes me laugh and I do understand that comedy is subjective, and it will only make a percentage of others laugh

Quote: wayne lewis @ May 11 2010, 8:28 PM BST

BB could I read your sitcom? The reason I posted originally was because what you wrote was very condesending. You made the characters black because "blacks don't get much work". However if your sitcom is as good as you say, then I'd like to have a read if that's ok?

I wasn't being condescending. In Feb I went to a theatre production and afterwards spent until the early hours, with the cast and their friends. I talked at length with a young black actor and he was talking about the problems of him trying to get work. When I next worked on my sitcom, I thought it a good idea to put 'black' on the cast list, that is all. oh plus my brother-in-law is a black Trinidadian

drunk again

Quote: bushbaby @ May 15 2010, 12:57 AM BST

Because of bigotry/prejudice/small mindedness on here,

?!?!?!?!?!?

On to the actual issue:

Having a black character, or gay character, or white character, or whatever else character is not stereotyping, it's entirely down to how you then write and present the character.

We shouldn't really be thinking anything of it.
However Political Correctness itself does open a few comedy opportunities.

Quote: wayne lewis @ May 11 2010, 8:28 PM BST

BB could I read your sitcom? The reason I posted originally was because what you wrote was very condesending. You made the characters black because "blacks don't get much work". However if your sitcom is as good as you say, then I'd like to have a read if that's ok?

Do blacks get much work then?

Quote: Marc P @ May 15 2010, 8:01 PM BST

Do blacks get much work then?

They do in Trinidad :D

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