The way that we seem to glorify some criminals in this country. It's like a telemovie or miniseries is made about them and we forget the terrible things they did.
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Ned Kelly or Rolf Harris?
I believe a film is in production on the life of Steve Jobs...
It's also weird that we think Fred West is repulsive and disgusting, but flipping love a Jack the Ripper documentary.
(When I say we, I do of course mean I.)
Not sure I think we like a documentary on both, but JR is such an enigmatic unknown character you can put any face or none upon him.
I find Fred West more of an engima, all his photos he looks so jolly with his big smiley face and his chunky jumpers.
Hard to believe he was a sadomasochistic, serial killer and rapist.
Still it takes all sorts.
Quote: zooo @ October 15 2013, 12:25 PM BST(When I say we, I do of course mean I.)
Because I'm the queen, atleast when I don't take my pills I am.
Your majesty!
The passing of time tends to dehumanise atrocities. If it did not it would be impossible to study history without a sick bucket to hand.
Yes that is true, I mean look at Noah. All those unicorns and dinosaurs left to drown.
He could have built a bigger ark.
Unicorns are notoriously solitary beasts, extinction was kinder than subjecting them to Ark levels of agoraphobia.
And dinosaurs get seasick. Probably.
Quote: sootyj @ October 15 2013, 12:24 PM BSTNed Kelly or Rolf Harris?
Like Mark "Chopper" Read and the people that were the focus of the first few Underbelly series such as Carl Williams/ the Moran family and John Ibrahim.
Quote: Tursiops @ October 15 2013, 12:29 PM BSTThe passing of time tends to dehumanise atrocities. If it did not it would be impossible to study history without a sick bucket to hand.
Very true.
Quote: reds @ October 15 2013, 12:34 PM BSTLike Mark "Chopper" Read and the people that were the focus of the first few Underbelly series such as Carl Williams/ the Moran family and John Ibrahim.
There's a niche market of people who "glamourise" those sorts of individuals.
Then there's another market that finds them interesting and wants to know what makes someone turn out like that.
I think there's a fairly broad line needs drawing between those two groups and their interest in the subject matter.
I'm interested in crime and criminology from a science and psychology standpoint, but I wouldn't want to read about criminals just to glorify their actions.
I'd be interested to get your take on Howard Marks, who seems to be the media's "go to" option when they want a kindly old drug smuggler and contributor to wrecking thousands of lives?
Quote: AndyGilder @ October 15 2013, 12:53 PM BSTThere's a niche market of people who "glamourise" those sorts of individuals.
Then there's another market that finds them interesting and wants to know what makes someone turn out like that.
I think there's a fairly broad line needs drawing between those two groups and their interest in the subject matter.
I'm interested in crime and criminology from a science and psychology standpoint, but I wouldn't want to read about criminals just to glorify their actions.
I'd be interested to get your take on Howard Marks, who seems to be the media's "go to" option when they want a kindly old drug smuggler and contributor to wrecking thousands of lives?
I really don't know enough about Howard Marks. The first time I heard of him was when I saw him on Never Mind The Buzzcocks.
In the case of Mark Read, he seemed to become a cult figure. There is even a comic who did a chopper character, I'm sure there are some younger people who don't realise that he was based on a real person. The real Mark Read passed away last week. From media reports, it seems he did turn his life around. However there is also his last interview that will air here Sunday night- according to the promos he admits to murder, something he never admited to in the past.
One of my issues with the creation of the comic character and way that the people in the first series of Underbelly were glamourised is that the people they hurt (provided they didn't kill them) are still living. Parts of the first season of Underbelly were not shown in Victoria at the time as the trial involving those people were going on at that time.
Documentry style shows that just focus more on what made a person like that are bit different.
Granted I don't read/view every media peice about criminals in other countries but the galmourisng seems to be a bit more obvious here.
Quote: sootyj @ October 15 2013, 12:30 PM BSTYes that is true, I mean look at Noah. All those unicorns and dinosaurs left to drown.
He could have built a bigger ark.
But luckily he took care of the important animals - zebras for instance.
Quote: keewik @ October 15 2013, 3:33 PM BSTBut luckily he took care of the important animals - zebras for instance.
Quote: reds @ October 15 2013, 12:16 PM BSTThe way that we seem to glorify some criminals in this country. It's like a telemovie or miniseries is made about them and we forget the terrible things they did.
It's notable that some of our greatest works have dealt with crime; any number of movies and acclaimed TV shows, even major religions like Christianity, wouldn't exist without a perceived crime. Perhaps in some perverse way, we simply love crime?