Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 4 2012, 11:52 AM BSTLife long Labour voters shouldn't be given a vote, neither should life long Tory voters - who needs that kind of participant in a democracy.
Good point.
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Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 4 2012, 11:52 AM BSTNice try Chief Press Minister of the Politburo. I am reflecting back all of the conflicting opinions of the left with regards to Boris. If you're biggest criticism of him is that we don't have enough lollipop ladies, then he's doing a good job considering the state of the rest of the country.
Trying to undermine my argument that I'm just winding people up is weak sauce and once again, I am being attacked rather then the issue. I put forward that Boris is the only serious threat to Cameron and the Tory Government. And that he has been more vocal and public in his criticism then Ed Milliband and the entire Labour party put together.
Life long Labour voters shouldn't be given a vote, neither should life long Tory voters - who needs that kind of participant in a democracy.
I don't think you've quite grasped what democracy is, strangely everyone gets a vote even if they always vote for the same party. I think what your looking for is some form of Dictatorship. Your persecution complex is showing and people disagreeing with you may not be because they are lefto pinkos, strangely most peoples politics are little more nuanced than that. as long as Boris stays in that there London I have no problem, I only have a problem if he takes to the national stage.
Quote: Pingl @ October 4 2012, 12:01 PM BSTI don't think you've quite grasped what democracy is, strangely everyone gets a vote even if they always vote for the same party.
A two party system supported by dogmatic and slavish ideologues is technically a democracy of sorts, but not one I would readily support. Thankfully, there are a small handful of independent thinkers still around that ensure that we do have regime change every ten years or so.
I am not looking for a dictatorship, far from it, I want to see smaller parties promoted that offer a real alternative to the current system. I use terms such as Commie or Pinko to describe a certain section of the population who automatically brand anyone without the same left leaning liberal views as right wing monsters.
People should vote with their brains - or at least their wallets - and not just show up at a polling booth like a brain dead box ticking machine.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 4 2012, 12:10 PM BSTA two party system supported by dogmatic and slavish ideologues is technically a democracy of sorts, but not one I would readily support. Thankfully, there are a small handful of independent thinkers still around that ensure that we do have regime change every ten years or so.
I am not looking for a dictatorship, far from it, I want to see smaller parties promoted that offer a real alternative to the current system. I use terms such as Commie or Pinko to describe a certain section of the population who automatically brand anyone without the same left leaning liberal views as right wing monsters.
People should vote with their brains - or at least their wallets - and not just show up at a polling booth like a brain dead box ticking machine.
i have never been one for these types of labels, pinko monsters. some of my most respected politicians are and were conservative, Rab Butler, Churchill, Ian Macloud etc. At present we are in a three party system so you should be saying Whoopee! Name calling and yaboo politics is what got us here. Listening and intergrating ideas might be a better way. just a suggestion.
Quote: Pingl @ October 4 2012, 12:18 PM BSTi have never been one for these types of labels
You certainly never likened anyone to Hitler. 
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 4 2012, 12:22 PM BSTYou certainly never likened anyone to Hitler.
i think Hitler was fair enough, he was a bad man you know. 
Was Hitler worse than Oliver Cromwell ?
Quote: billwill @ October 4 2012, 2:03 PM BSTWas Hitler worse than Oliver Cromwell ?
I think the Irish would say he was as bad.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 4 2012, 11:52 AM BSTNice try Chief Press Minister of the Politburo. .
Now that again reflects the fact you haven't read anything that I typed.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 4 2012, 11:52 AM BSTNice try Chief Press Minister of the Politburo. .
Now that again reflects the fact you haven't read anything that I typed.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 4 2012, 11:52 AM BSTTrying to undermine my argument that I'm just winding people up is weak sauce and once again, I am being attacked rather then the issue.
It would be except you are an inveterate wind up merchant and admit as much. Arguing with you is as sensible as asking a cat not to say "meow."
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 4 2012, 11:52 AM BSTAnd that he has been more vocal and public in his criticism then Ed Milliband and the entire Labour party put together.
Bozzer is an absolute master though of saying precisely nothing, loudly and with passion.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 4 2012, 12:10 PM BSTPeople should vote with their brains - or at least their wallets - and not just show up at a polling booth like a brain dead box ticking machine.
From now on I'm voting with my heart. Churchill said, 'anyone who doesn't start on the left has no heart, anyone who doesn't move to the right has no head'. I've moved to the right over the years, but I hope without sacrificing my sense of empathy and compassion. I will be voting Labour because, for all its faults, and it has many, it most closely reflects my beliefs and the world I want to live in. No system is perfect but I want a party that insures the vulnerable are protected and doesn't just mouth platitudes whilst doing the exact opposite. I hope your experiment with smaller party's works out, but in the real world and under the current system they don't stand a chance. a voice in the wilderness is very laudable but in our present system almost entirely redundant.
Quote: Pingl @ October 4 2012, 3:49 PM BSTChurchill said, 'anyone who doesn't start on the left has no heart, anyone who doesn't move to the right has no head'.
Ooh, that's a good'n.
Quote: Pingl @ October 4 2012, 3:49 PM BSTFrom now on I'm voting with my heart. Churchill said, 'anyone who doesn't start on the left has no heart, anyone who doesn't move to the right has no head'.
Yeah and Clint Eastwood said 'Go ahead, make my day' - doesn't mean it's true. Otherwise the Young Conservatives would be a myth.
Your adherence to a two party system is certainly a realistic view of the current situation and as long as the rest of the populace follow your lead, it will remain so. Criticising others for not playing along with this farcical representation of democracy seems a bit self defeating though.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 4 2012, 4:24 PM BSTYeah and Clint Eastwood said 'Go ahead, make my day' - doesn't mean it's true. Otherwise the Young Conservatives would be a myth.
Your adherence to a two party system is certainly a realistic view of the current situation and as long as the rest of the populace follow your lead, it will remain so. Criticising others for not playing along with this farcical representation of democracy seems a bit self defeating though.
No just don't expect to change the world any time soon. If I was to quote anyone it would be Churchill, the man who saved this nation and the world from Nazi tyranny and one of the greatest, most complex and intelligent men this country has ever produced.
Quote: Pingl @ October 4 2012, 4:43 PM BSTNo just don't expect to change the world any time soon. If I was to quote anyone it would be Churchill, the man who saved this nation and the world from Nazi tyranny
Well, he had some help.
Quote: chipolata @ October 4 2012, 4:47 PM BSTWell, he had some help.
Politically very little