Quote: Harridan @ July 17 2012, 4:37 PM BSTI initially think of the pop band and then think of iphones. Both piss me off.
Can I add - Phones 4 U, Cash 4 Gold, Channel 4's T4 programmes and G-Force from Battle of the Planets?
It's just bloody Securicor at the end of the day, why they had to make it all wanky is unknown.
Quote: Harridan @ July 17 2012, 10:46 AM BSTIt really does seem outrageous that someone can take photos of you without permission and that you don't have any rights to the image at all.
I know, right!
Quote: KLRiley @ July 17 2012, 10:57 AM BSTNot my area of specialism but it depends on where she took the pictures - public or private place -, whether you did give her permission to take them if private and if she intends to use them commercially. She might possibly be infringing your right to privacy under the Human Rights Act but if at a gig then it gets complicated but yeah it seems unfair that someone can use you to make money and you have no sayso.
It's pretty much the case that unless the venue have photography rules (which I greatly doubt) then there's nothing I can do. It's not like she will sell them on elsewhere- I'm mainly peeved because I'm not allowed them for free when they're pictures of me and I haven't employed her to take them. Aparently she's a nutter though, so I'm not going to persue it any.
Had the torch relay around here today. Whaddayaknow, the world and its mother were out for it, not letting people through, people with a life and a job that just so happened to be in 2 different offices today, a journey that should take 15 minutes took 30.
F**kingboringhell.
Quote: Nat Wicks @ July 17 2012, 6:58 PM BSTIt's pretty much the case that unless the venue have photography rules (which I greatly doubt) then there's nothing I can do. It's not like she will sell them on elsewhere- I'm mainly peeved because I'm not allowed them for free when they're pictures of me and I haven't employed her to take them. Aparently she's a nutter though, so I'm not going to persue it any.
F**k her, that is so incredibly out of order. Is it still illegal to DOS someone's website? At least try politely threatening to name and shame so that other professionals and performers here can blacklist her 
Quote: Nat Wicks @ July 17 2012, 10:13 AM BSTAt a gig last week there was a woman in the audience taking photos of the show because it was her friend's first gig. A week later we spot the images online ina Flickr account. Contacted the lady and asked if I could nab a couple of the raw images from the gig and she's tried to bloody flog them to me. Turns out she's a professional photographer, and now owns the commercial rights to pictures (hideous ones at that), of me. Legally there is nothing I can do, but morally? I am pretty pissed off about it as if I had known there were going to be images taken for commercial purposes at an unpaid and not-for-profit event I would have asked her not to take any.
>Turns out she's a professional photographer, and now owns the commercial rights to pictures (hideous ones at that), of me. Legally there is nothing I can do,
I don't think she is right, but check with a lawyer. She did not get performance rights from you so you can send her an offer for her to buy the performance rights (at a hugely inflated price) or be obliged to blur/pixellate all the pictures of you & mute the sound.
I recall that if a film/tv company is filming in a public place they have to get permission signatures from any passers-by that get into shot.
Quote: Nat Wicks @ July 17 2012, 6:58 PM BSTI know, right!
It's pretty much the case that unless the venue have photography rules (which I greatly doubt) then there's nothing I can do. It's not like she will sell them on elsewhere- I'm mainly peeved because I'm not allowed them for free when they're pictures of me and I haven't employed her to take them. Aparently she's a nutter though, so I'm not going to persue it any.
Make a dress out of pictures of kids in swimsuits
Quote: billwill @ July 17 2012, 7:44 PM BST>Turns out she's a professional photographer, and now owns the commercial rights to pictures (hideous ones at that), of me. Legally there is nothing I can do,
I don't think she is right, but check with a lawyer. She did not get performance rights from you so you can send her an offer for her to buy the performance rights (at a hugely inflated price) or be obliged to blur/pixellate all the pictures of you & mute the sound.
I recall that if a film/tv company is filming in a public place they have to get permission signatures from any passers-by that get into shot.
As far as I can tell from the internet it is different for photographs than it is for broadcast film. It isn't worth consulting a lawyer over to be honest. She will never use the pics for anything.
Your performance is definitely your copyright, you were performing not just doing normal activities in public, so she is breaking copyright if she publishes pictures of your performance without your permission.
I haven't yet found a UK article but here is a USA one on the issue http://www.videomaker.com/article/13773/
Here's a typical release form that she should have asked you are paid you to sign. It relates to video, but the same almost certainly applies to photographs.
Alternatively find out where she lives and let her tyres out/scratch her car.
Quote: billwill @ July 17 2012, 8:12 PM BSTYour performance is definitely your copyright, you were performing not just doing normal activities in public, so she is breaking copyright if she publishes pictures of your performance without your permission.
I haven't yet found a UK article but here is a USA one on the issue http://www.videomaker.com/article/13773/
Here's a typical release form that she should have asked you are paid you to sign. It relates to video, but the same almost certainly applies to photographs.
If I was in the US she would have to have model waivers. She doesn't in the UK. Copyright falls on the side of the photographer over here.
Quote: Booo @ July 17 2012, 8:13 PM BSTAlternatively find out where she lives and let her tyres out/scratch her car.
Or sign her up for loads of weird post samples and her telephone number to some dodgy marketing companies, which are far less illegal!
Quote: Nat Wicks @ July 17 2012, 8:21 PM BSTOr sign her up for loads of weird post samples and her telephone number to some dodgy marketing companies, which are far less illegal!
I'm Mediterranean (ish) and short, it explains a lot.
But yeah, your method might be better.
>If I was in the US she would have to have model waivers. She doesn't in the UK. Copyright falls on the side of the photographer over here.
If she told you that don't believe her.
USA only might be true if you were just doing normal human activities, but you were doing a performance. A definite item of intellectual creativity, your appearance was part of that performance.
You could try asking here:
She didn't tell me that- my own independant research did!
From EPUK:
There are usually stringent restrictions on photography in theatres, auditoria and concert halls, etc. The rights of the performers could be infringed by filming or making a video of substantial parts of a performance. The copyright in still photography taken at such venues will belong to the photographer, or their employer, whatever the restrictions but commercial use will be in breach of contract.
She still owns the rights, but maybe she's not allowed to sell them to anyone else.
Oh that's only if rules are set out before hand by the venue on purchase of tickets. There are no rules with this venue.
Nat, follow her and take horrible paparazzi style photos of her. Then post them on your own website called DONTSCREWMEOVERBITCHES.COM
Or go post this on reddit and feed her to the wolves.
Would I ever go to LloydsTSB when they have these irritating adverts with Pinoccio-nosed robots? I HATE THESE THINGS.
And, by the way, their logo always makes me think it's an advert for a bookie.