To be honest I swore at the telly when a couple of old Catholics said the courts should make sure the Pope was adequately respected. Freedom of religion means you have to win the argument. Muslims who want a sharia state I fear them and despair of them.
But I feel they're not the majority. And the route to making them safe lies within the wider Muslim community.
Quote: sootyj @ April 26 2010, 10:57 PM BSTMuslims who want a sharia state I fear them and despair of them.
I think they should be shipped back.
And what if they were born here? The Muslim group that got South Park to censor itsself was made up entirely of converts.
Race and religion are not the same thing.
Or our govt having the bollocks to say 'Oh no you don't, you can have English law like the rest of us.'
Quote: sootyj @ April 26 2010, 11:09 PM BSTAnd what if they were born here?
As the late, great, Bernard Manning said 'If a dog's born in a stable, that doesn't make it a horse!'
There are no "legal" Sharia courts. Aaaaggghhhhh!
This is wilful bloody ignorance.
There are a small number of Sharia courts enabled to negotiate civil suits who can make none binding judgements. Which still have to be signed off by a real court.
There are some idiots who have unofficial Sharia courts. Generally they get closed down when found. The idiot's who follow them? Honestly it is hard to protect people of any faith from their own stupidity.
I have just seen Paxman on Newsnight look more uncomfortable than ever before. And who was he interviewing? Plaid Cymru's economic adviser. Funny business, politics.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jun/29/sharia-courts-illegal-advice-claims http://www.theasiannews.co.uk/news/s/1124321_shariah_courts_giving_illegal_advice
They exist they are a problem. But their decisions are illegal and uneforcable in UK law. I strongly suggest that such institutions should be opposed as an afront to civil society.
There are however 85 of them. Not a lot in the greater scheme albeit there should be none.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ April 26 2010, 11:10 PM BSTOr our govt having the bollocks to say 'Oh no you don't, you can have English law like the rest of us.'
Isn't it UK law (except where powers have been devolved)?
That said in almost any fundamentalist religious community there is a tendency to reject secular authority. Certainly we can see it in recent Catholic abuse scandals.
It's not acceptable at all. It just isn't unique to Muslims.
85 sounds like a worrying number to me. Why can't they leave their old religion in their old country? They are in Britain now, it is NON MUSLIM , get used to it, respect it and live LIKE WE DO.
Well some of them converted here, some are now 4th generation. Islam has been in the UK since at the least the 18th century.
And why should they abandon their fate? I think you forget how much the tolerance we all enjoy depends on those who we mistrust also being tolerated.
They should abandon their faith (or certainly lessen it) because they should realise the terrible harm and conflict it is causing to their adopted country. Do they really like being hated?
Not everyone hates them. I don't.
Why should they abandon it? Most truly horrible states started picking on the less popular. And what harm? Any more than families with no fathers unto the 3rd generation, kids getting liver cancer in their 20s, police unwilling to racially profile racial crime etc etc.
Quote: Badge @ April 26 2010, 11:15 PM BSTI have just seen Paxman on Newsnight look more uncomfortable than ever before. And who was he interviewing? Plaid Cymru's economic adviser. Funny business, politics.
I thought he looked exasperated with the seemingly obnoxious behaviour of the Plaid chap.