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I think it's the "snobbishness" comment that probably gets my back up a little. It implies that we sit in front of our TV screens waiting to be disappointed, yearning to point out that a sitcom isn't sophisticated enough for our finely-attuned comedy palates. I mean, I loved We Are Klang and really like Miranda - both what I'd call big, silly, larger-than-life sitcoms. Both with the occasional creaky gag - the difference being that the charm contained in the characters, the performances and (yes) the "love" that's apparent in both shows - more than makes up for the occasional weak line.

The real issue with Big Top (beyond the bad scripts) is that it lacks any discernible charm - and sitcoms really do need charm, whether they are darker comedy (e.g. Psychoville) or incredibly upbeat, throwaway shows.

By the way, I'm sure we all appreciate the irony of a bunch of comedy website members debating a slightly harsh online criticism of us. Perhaps this is a cunning ruse by Mr Jacob to teach us to understand how criticism can offend? :D The difference, of course, is that our efforts aren't being funded by the licence fee. It may be one day, but for now, it's not our job to make people laugh (in most cases). ;)

But it all boils down to the fact that 'Big Top' and 'Two Pints' are piles of shit, yeah?

Quote: Tim Walker @ December 11 2009, 3:16 PM GMT

It may be one day, but for now, it's not our job to make people laugh (in most cases). ;)

And my goddness how we succeed.

Quote: Marc P @ December 11 2009, 3:21 PM GMT

And my goodness how we succeed.

Speak for yourself, Marc. Unimpressed When there's no decent, sophisticated comedy on TV, I often like to spend a couple of hours re-reading my own posts, in order to learn to appreciate witty and intelligent humour again. I've just been reading something I posted a couple of years ago about On The Buses... *wipes tear of laughter from eye*

Quote: Tim Walker @ December 11 2009, 3:25 PM GMT

Speak for yourself, Marc. Unimpressed When there's no decent, sophisticated comedy on TV, I often like to spend a couple of hours re-reading my own posts, in order to learn to appreciate witty and intelligent humour again. I've just been reading something I posted a couple of years ago about On The Buses... *wipes tear of laughter from eye*

Was it something about how after The Rag Trade they needed a bigger vehicle for Reg Varney to star in?

Quote: 2ChristianTypists @ December 11 2009, 12:55 PM GMT

knows that eight year olds will get its colour and simplicity.

It's starring Lenny Henry and Miss Jocelyn?

Believe me I would love Big Top to be great. I really, really want a TV comedy show that I can watch with my family and for us all to love it. As it is my six year old thought it was okay (and better than going to bed.)

So instead we watch DVDs of Fawlty Towers, The Goodies, fast forward through the inappropriate bits in The Mighty Boosh and Ripping Yarns and look forward to all being able to enjoy TV Burp on a Saturday if we're in and think about investing in some Only Fools boxsets.

When I'm watching TV I don't think of myself as a bitter, would-be writer but a viewer wanting great stuff to watch. I look forward to The Thick Of It, because I enjoy it and am engaged in the story, not because I want to slag it off. :)

Quote: Tim Walker @ December 11 2009, 3:25 PM GMT

I've just been reading something I posted a couple of years ago about On The Buses... *wipes tear of laughter from eye*

Was it, I'll get you Butler!?

Daniel Peak is a protégé of writersroom, so it's only natural they want to defend and support him, but it's telling that there's no mention in that blog of whether Micheal actually liked 'Big Top' or not. There's talk of demographics and what an achievement it is to get a sitcom on BBC1, but they are no benchmark of quality. Family comedies ARE hard to pitch, as you have to please such a wide section of the audience, but the truth is there's more charm, wit and comic invention in an episode of 'Timmy Time', than there is in 'Big Top'.

There's nothing to gain from destroying a writer if a sitcom doesn't work. Nor is there anything to gain from false praise. Better to identify why it hasn't worked, learn those lessons and apply that knowledge to the next project.

Quote: R.J. @ December 11 2009, 3:57 PM GMT

but it's telling that there's no mention in that blog of whether Micheal actually liked 'Big Top' or not.

The current head of creative comedy for the BBC is never going to slate a BBC sitcom.

Of course. So why blog about it in the first place? It's basically saying 'Dan is my mate - stop picking on him'.

Quote: R.J. @ December 11 2009, 4:21 PM GMT

Of course. So why blog about it in the first place? It's basically saying 'Dan is my mate - stop picking on him'.

Maybe he had a bad day.

There is an awful lot of protest at one comment that 'some aspiring comedy writers' are a bit snobbish about 2 Pints and My Family. I have seen some evidence of that. :)

I mean it's not exactly in Kev F's league is it?

Quote: Marc P @ December 11 2009, 4:47 PM GMT

There is an awful lot of protest at one comment that 'some aspiring comedy writers' are a bit snobbish about 2 Pints and My Family. I have seen some evidence of that. :)

Yeah, do you remember that writer that David Bussell interviewed who had written for My Family? She didn't seem to think much of the show - unless Bussell had badly misquoted her. :)

Never mind My Family, I have written for Family Affairs so I have absolutely no right to comment on anybody. :)

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