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I think 2Christian Typists that you are wrong that any of us look at a programme as wannabe writers. We're no different to your average punter. We just want to be entertained. In this case it's comedy which we share an interest in. But that's all. Just look at Miranda. I don't particularly like it but lot's on here do. That's fine and they all state why. And I state why not.

Big Top has a stella comedy cast with appalling writing. We see the waste and it's not big and it's not clever. If it's your cup tea great but on this forum it is mostly not.

The one thing I will say as a wannabe writer is that I've seen much better stuff posted in critique than Big Top so that also adds to the frustration.

Quote: 2ChristianTypists @ December 11 2009, 1:31 PM GMT

I'll get me coat. The point has been well made.

Your point has been made, well or otherwise, your comedy has not.

Quote: 2ChristianTypists @ December 11 2009, 1:25 PM GMT

No.

Are you married to Michael Jacob?

Quote: The Cool Mikado @ December 11 2009, 1:33 PM GMT

Are you married to Michael Jacob?

No but he is a vey nice man. Especially to 'wannabee' writers. :)

Quote: roscoff @ December 11 2009, 1:32 PM GMT

A stella comedy cast with appauling writing.

You ironic bear, you.

Quote: 2ChristianTypists @ December 11 2009, 1:31 PM GMT

I'll get me coat.

Check the pockets.

I think someone may have done something unspeakable.

Quote: Ben @ December 11 2009, 1:37 PM GMT

You ironic bear, you.

I wish :( appalling isn't it.

It's the children I fear for.

Quote: Ben @ December 11 2009, 1:42 PM GMT

It's the children I fear for.

Me three.

It's obviously a sore point.
As MJ points out, the series also gets a kicking from the newspapers.
He will know better than anyone that Big Top stinks the place out.
It's just probably a bit galling to find aspiring writers - who he's a big friend of - weighing in as well.
But to say we're against anything even faintly popular is silly, and he does himself a massive disservice by doing so.

Quote: Tim Walker @ December 10 2009, 6:12 PM GMT

Firstly, I don't think there is anything snobbish about it whatsoever. These same writers (at least around here) aren't shy of heaping praise on the sitcoms they enjoy - whether they happen to be popular or not. I think Big Top has received such a slating (perhaps notably from writers, perhaps not) because the script for the first episode was beneath the standard most of us amateurs would dare to submit. And Micheal describes Big Top as a narrative comedy - must have missed that - at best it's a collection of bad lines in search of a character, the characters in turn in search of a plot.

Despite being a "snobbish" aspiring writer, I took the time out the other day to talk to one of the Little People - i.e. my barber - about comedy. He thought Big Top was the worst thing he'd seen on telly in a long time. There you go, the Ordinary Joe has spoken.

Oh, and I don't remember BBC One sitcoms The Old Guys, Outnumbered or Not Going Out receiving any massive critical kickings... I wonder why that is?

Much as I love hate to quote myself from a different thread, I don't have a lot more to add to this debate.

I will say that '2ChristianTypists' can't really complain that he meets some resistance when he often (either intentionally or accidentally) patronises aspiring writers, without establishing his true credentials (or lack of). In this respect, Micheal, although we may not always agree with what he says, is recognised as one who speaks from a position of experience. I do think it's a little disingenuous to slag us off on a blog because of some (admittedly) frank, but honest and objective comments made about Big Top, but there you go. We're thick-skinned enough to take it, I'm sure.

And as regards My Family (mentioned in the blog), maybe he should have a word with Robert Lindsay, who has been far more of an outspoken critic about that show than most you'll find on here. My Family is actually a good sitcom to raise. Many of us might not like it, but we don't endlessly slag it off because a) we're aware that it simply might not be to our tastes, b) one can understand how people (especially families, e.g. my kids) might really like it and c) it's MOR comedy, but it generally has some decent scripts and is well produced. It serves an important purpose as a decent, accessible pre-watershed sitcom.

It's unfair to suggest that most of us come on here to post bile and see who can get the biggest laugh out of slagging off a show. Especially as many often go to the trouble of writing well thought-out and objective critiques when a new show airs.

After all, we're looking for more good/great comedy, not less. We're fully aware how difficult it is to get your sitcom made, so when one such as Big Top gets awarded a precious seat at the table, it is going to mystify and frustrate many people - and not just writers. :)

(EDIT: Oh, I seem to have said I didn't have much more to add and than waffled on a bit more. Apologies.)

I think typist is a typist and I don't think Michal J is being disingenuous just saying he'd probably like to see a balanced and more supportive analysis. And perhaps a little bit more time to get a balanced view of the thing. I think the artistic vision of things is increasingly out ot the hands of one creative guiding force nowadays. Sometimes too many fingers stuck in a pie can alter the aesthetic look of the thing, if you stick with it though sometimes there is a good recipe and tasty morsels to be had. And not just the lovely Amanda Holden's legs by the way. :)

Quote: Marc P @ December 11 2009, 3:05 PM GMT

I think typist is a typist and I don't think Michal J is being disingenuous just saying he'd probably like to see a balanced and more supportive analysis. And perhaps a little bit more time to get a balanced view of the thing. I think the artistic vision of things is increasingly out ot the hands of one creative guiding force nowadays. Sometimes too many fingers stuck in a pie can alter the aesthetic look of the thing, if you stick with it though sometimes there is a good recipe and tasty morsels to be had. And not just the lovely Amanda Holden's legs by the way. :)

Amanda Holden's legs in a pie.
They'd go a bomb at Gregg's.

Quote: Lazzard @ December 11 2009, 3:10 PM GMT

WHat about Amanda Holdenkiss I need Amanda Holdenkiss

:O

Yeah, I'm snobbish towards some shows. This dialogue from "My Hero" convinced me I could do better.

Secretary: Did you talk to him?
Doctor: Yes I did. I told him to go see a Doctor.
[beat]
Doctor: [cont'd] Then I remembered. I AM HIS DOCTOR.

Have you ever?

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