Nick Griffin on Question Time Page 9

Quote: Kevin Murphy @ October 22 2009, 9:59 PM BST

But assuming you're referring to Trafalgar, I'm not sure it's any great loss that we don't celebrate it or have the date engraved in our memories.

Did we ever?

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I don't worry too much either about Britain not continually remembering and celebrating its past. It's important perhaps to have an awareness of the history of this island, but countries that are always harking back to their glorious pasts are perhaps not as concerned about writing the next chapters in their histories. A lack of huge regard for our past is probably healthy for our country's future.

Again I think that it's probably just part of the British character to be rather embarrassed about going on about our great achievements. It's rather vulgar, of course. Let the inferior nations hark on about their pasts if they must, but it really is very common.

SCOTTIDOG: Though I don't support the BNP and never will, if you take the time to look at their non-racially motivated policies, they actually make a lot of sense both politically and economically. A lot of political parties promise change that never actually happens and it always boils down to business as usual with the proliteriate suffering so the elites can retain money and power. Again, I don't support the BNP and don't agree with their racial views.

BCG: You racist mother f**ker! Go and join the KKK you Hitler loving bastard!

Besides, under a Labour Government, Britain's haven't killed this many Muslims since the Crusades.

But not to worry, we'll all be under Sharia law pretty soon, so the 7/7 Bombers won't have died in vain. Because as history teaches us, whenever a large Muslim population establishes itself in a non-Muslim country, it's all peace, harmony and democracy.

I'll add my 2 cents/pence, but my view doesn't really count much because I'm not a citizen of the UK.

Knuckleheads like the BNP will never run a country like yours, just as the wackos and racists will never rule mine. But they can and do help bend the major parties in a slightly different direction.

Immigration is a hot issue in much of the western world. What you'll see is a gradual shift to a less welcoming position on future immigrants if that's what the people want. I fully expect to see politicians elected on platforms of reduced/restricted immigration in the UK, the U.S. and much of Europe.

Our governments need more warm bodies to pay taxes in order to keep their desperate pyramid schemes of welfare and gross government overspending alive. The immigration issue would be easily solved if western Caucasians started having babies again. But families are shrinking (or not even being formed) so we open up the borders to keep the new taxpayers flooding in. Nobody has the right to complain about it if they elect politicians who ignore, if not encourage, it.

Quote: DaButt @ October 22 2009, 10:16 PM BST

just as the wackos and racists will never rule mine.

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How quickly the last eight years are forgotten

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 22 2009, 10:15 PM BST

SCOTTIDOG: Though I don't support the BNP and never will, if you take the time to look at their non-racially motivated policies, they actually make a lot of sense both politically and economically. A lot of political parties promise change that never actually happens and it always boils down to business as usual with the proliteriate suffering so the elites can retain money and power. Again, I don't support the BNP and don't agree with their racial views.

BCG: You racist mother f**ker! Go and join the KKK you Hitler loving bastard!

Besides, under a Labour Government, Britain's haven't killed this many Muslims since the Crusades.

But not to worry, we'll all be under Sharia law pretty soon, so the 7/7 Bombers won't have died in vain. Because as history teaches us, whenever a large Muslim population establishes itself in a non-Muslim country, it's all peace, harmony and democracy.

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Thats what I have been saying, their policies make alot of sense. Have you read the thread RC?

OOOOOooO Read the thread rhymes...Hey, I'm a poet and I didn't know.

I'm bored of this thread now.

Lets just watch and shut the f**k up.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 22 2009, 10:15 PM BST

.. we'll all be under Sharia law pretty soon,../

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We do already have sharia law in places, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.

Quote: Tim Walker @ October 22 2009, 10:14 PM BST

A lack of huge regard for our past is probably healthy for our country's future.

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>_<

Without knowing our past, we have no future. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Parliament, the rejection of the Papal state and subsequent scientific and medical break-throughs combined with the Magna Carta are a bit shit?

Which bits should we forget Tim - the 'good' bits or the 'bad' bits?

Quote: Nogget @ October 22 2009, 10:19 PM BST

We do already have sharia law in places, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.

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Ughhhh, I've brought all these points up in previous threads...

Can we have a 'Are you a muslim hater, Yes, No? or do you love chriatians and Muslims but also love St Georges day secretly thread?'

Quote: Tim Walker @ October 22 2009, 10:14 PM BST

I don't worry too much either about Britain not continually remembering and celebrating its past. It's important perhaps to have an awareness of the history of this island, but countries that are always harking back to their glorious pasts are perhaps not as concerned about writing the next chapters in their histories. A lack of huge regard for our past is probably healthy for our country's future.

Again I think that it's probably just part of the British character to be rather embarrassed about going on about our great achievements. It's rather vulgar, of course. Let the inferior nations hark on about their pasts if they must, but it really is very common.

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A lack of huge regard for our past is probably healthy?

WTF!

Quote: Steve Sunshine @ October 22 2009, 10:09 PM BST

My English friend who lives in America said that he loves the fact that they are proud to be American and you can see the flag everywhere.
The English flag is often considered racist.

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The number of U.S. and Texas flags flying from homes and businesses where I live is quite large and I find it inspiring. I rarely see the English flag flying on my visits unless it's in support of a football match. I find that depressing.

Just went to read up on the BNP's policies.

http://bnp.org.uk/

Looks like they've decided to remove everything but a simple call-to-action placeholder page. No manifesto.

It is incidentally a liberal myth that Islam is a broad church in the same sense of modern Christianity. By Anglican standards the most liberal Moslem is an inflexible fundamentalist. Feminism, homosexuality, the theory of evolution, are all anathema for the majority of moslems. That does represent a problem with integration into the sort of Britain most of us would like to live in, and ignoring the issue plays into the hands both of the BNP and those in the Moslem community determined to prevent he intrusion of British values into their narrow world, and who act as apologists, if not necessarily recruiters, for those who would wage war on those values. (Which is not to say that 100 years of UK foreign policy has not resulted in genuine grievances, but that is another issue.)

Nick Griffin deserves all the odium heaped upon him, but there an be no moral high ground until the same level of criticism is directed at Imans who regularly preach views every bit as odious.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 22 2009, 10:20 PM BST

Without knowing our past, we have no future. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Parliament, the rejection of the Papal state and subequent scientific and medical break-throughs combined with the Magna Carta are a bit shit?

Which bits should we forget Tim - the 'good' bits or the 'bad' bits?

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These things should be taught in schools, museums and the like, but banging on about it is (as I said) rather vulgar.

Right-wing "patriots", of course, often manage to not only to selectively quote British history, they quite often get their facts wrong when doing so.

By all means knowledge of British military/cultural/scientific/social history should be imparted to "da kids", but the way you preserve "Britishness" is by instilling the social and personality traits of this country in them. You don't need a day to remember a battle or an invention, you pass on pride in a country by giving the next generations an example to live up to.

Don't worry about it Kevin, the BNP just nicked all their sensible ideas from UKIP so they wouldn't look like a loony fringe party full of racist bully boys.

Now, if you'll excuse me, as a peace loving non-racist, I have to go and honour kill my daughter because she's in love with someone who is different from our tribe.

Quote: Tim Walker @ October 22 2009, 10:26 PM BST

These things should be taught in schools, museums and the like, but banging on about it is (as I said) rather vulgar.

Right-wing "patriots", of course, often manage to not only to selectively quote British history, they quite often get their facts wrong when doing so.

By all means knowledge of British military/cultural/scientific/social history should be imparted to "da kids", but the way you preserve "Britishness" is by instilling the social and personality traits of this country. You don't need a day to remember a battle or an invention, you pass on pride in a country by giving the next generations an example to live up to.

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I think that is very disrespectful. 'You don't need a day to remember', WTF?

So, we should just forget what our ancestors did for our country.

Quote: Tim Walker @ October 22 2009, 10:26 PM BST

You don't need a day to remember a battle or an invention, you pass on pride in a country by giving the next generations an example to live up to.

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What? Like Christmas?

Tim wants to kill Christmas!!!

*runs away to let Tim deal with angry mob*