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Quote: Timbo @ October 31 2009, 6:49 PM BSTneo-conservatism I would.
Neo-conservatism is certainly an ideology, but a faith? Perhaps to Rumsfeld or Cheney, but generally there is little cohesion even within the ideologues who promote neo-conservatism. Neo-conservative ideology seems to be an ever shifting sand of right-wing ideas, with no consistent message.
Quote: Griff @ October 31 2009, 6:53 PM BST
I met a chap once who had conceived and written a Muslim sketch show, featuring a Muslim superhero. He would emerge from phone boxes with a beard, headscarf, etc. His main superpower was the ability to call down an angry mob. Never got very far at the Beeb, natch.
Personally I've hardly criticised Islam, but plenty of others are doing that anyway. All I'll say, in my own small and brief experience of young Muslim males, they aren't a lot different to young white males (except the drink), they all eye up young birds, brag about their sexual potency, swear and curse and are basically anything but models of religious purity their religion wants them to be. If they carry on like that, support the right Cricket team (had to get Tebbitt in) and refuse to be bullied into extremism and impossible religious purtinism, then we will all get along a lot better than we are now, and it'll stop giving bullets to the BNP.
Note - I'm not saying all are like that, just the young sarf Londony ones I've briefly met. And I will also say that behind the false gangy bravado and daft handshakes, a lot of them are very polite and well mannered. But maybe they do need to learn the enormous benefits of drink, IMO, as it is drink that has led most major nations away from religious extremism.
True, I don't doubt that for a second, but their notions of religion have been all to do with sectarianism, ie. really politics, not religious faith, and most of their atrocities were for historical and political revenge. The church is nowhere near as powerful in Ireland as it once was, (thanks in part to drink) but it is still adhered to in overtly political terms now by extremists who aren't genuinely religious at all but will never stop praising their church to give their extremist activities some spurious justification. imo.
Yes it is, and it has very unfair reputation these days - done the world far more good than harm!! I recommend it to all religious maniacs...but not those with bombs in their shoes, perhaps, take them off first.
Quote: Timbo @ October 31 2009, 2:15 AM BSTAnd there is a man in Spain who has two cocks. I would post a picture, but I suspect Aaron would object.
I care not. 
(Although a link would be preferable to an image in-thread, admittedly.)
Moslems did not always have such a downer on alcohol - Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you eleventh century Islamic astronomer, mathematician, philosopher, poet and pisshead, Omar Khayyam:
The Grape that can with Logic absolute
The Two-and-Seventy jarring sects confute;
The subtle Alchemist that can in a Trice
Life's leaden metal into Gold transmute.
Quote: Timbo @ October 31 2009, 2:15 AM BSTAnd there is a man in Spain who has two cocks. I would post a picture, but I suspect Aaron would object.
Quote: Aaron @ October 31 2009, 8:14 PM BSTI care not.
(Although a link would be preferable to an image in-thread, admittedly.)
F**k your preferences, Aaron!!
Quote: Tim Walker @ October 31 2009, 2:33 AM BSTMicrosoft.
Apple, more like!
Quote: Moonstone @ October 31 2009, 10:50 AM BSTJoel I never realised I agree with you so much about almost everything. You're just about the only rational person in this thread.
Your shared bizarreness must have been taught at Jew school. 
Quote: sootyj @ October 31 2009, 11:24 AM BST3 EU workers who by and large have no interest in retiring here(but pay our taxes thank you very much)
Way to throw a totally irrelevant point in the mix in order to dismiss the majority and most worrying concern. This from the man who says we should have an open and honest debate about immigration. F**king hell.
Please stop taking me out of context. I was merely pointing out who the majority of the immigrants into the UK are.
If we're not even talking about who the actual immigrants are, it's going to be a rather pointless debate.
There's a lot of population exchange with many EU citizens going home, even when in a position to claim on our benefit system.
Quote: sootyj @ October 31 2009, 8:56 PM BSTPlease stop taking me out of a rather pointless debate.
There's a lot of EU citizens in a position to claim on our benefit system.
Quote: Tim Walker @ October 31 2009, 12:37 PM BSTWell it occurs to me that certain people like to argue political and social theory as a substitute for addressing the reality of the world. As though a theory is enough to win the argument, without the need to offer any practical solutions. There's two very good places for people who can comfortably spout political theory, safe in the knowledge that they will never actually have to be judged on practical policy, the Liberal Democrats and the Socialist Workers Party.
Heheh.
Quote: sootyj @ October 31 2009, 12:43 PM BSTPart the reason we don't have an EXCHANGE of skills with Europe is or workers are monolingual, unskilled and by and large less able than other Europeans in their native tongue.
But most of the reason we don't have an exchange of skills with Europe is that no bastard in their right mind would want to go there. It's so dire that half of the natives are heading this way.
Quote: sootyj @ October 31 2009, 12:47 PM BSTBut at the core level no. Not many Brit plumbers, nurses etc going abroad.
Poor language, literacy skills at school, combined with a prizes for all attitude to degrees.
You constantly bleat that it's those "core" jobs that need filling and that the immigrants TO this country are doing, keeping the NHS afloat, blah blah blah. So if there are so many open positions, we have no overflow of people to go overseas. You can't have it both ways.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 31 2009, 2:19 PM BSTI do find it quite remarkable that the more liberal members of this forum are arguing in favour of an Islamic faith / culture / ideology that wishes to see them wiped out.
Typical liberalism though - ridiculously idealistic and no foresight.
Quote: sootyj @ October 31 2009, 3:26 PM BSTI'd like to open it on "Big open debate street," not "White culture is ace and imperilled avenue," or "Any discussion is racism boulevard."
And which one of the contributors to this thread thinks it's either of the latter? Stop avoiding the issue, sooty.
Quote: sootyj @ October 31 2009, 3:26 PM BSTAgreed but white bankers and accountants should be willing to be stopped and searched by the SFO more often.
Glad you agree; but again here you go, brining in random and totally irrelevant points to dilute if not totally avoid the issue. The morality or legality of the current banking system is in no way even slightly related to a discussion about racism, immigration, and Islamic extremists.