Quote: Tim Walker @ October 23 2009, 12:06 PM BSTIn North Norfolk I suppose Griffin's point about the "indigenous British population" at least holds some water, considering the whole region can trace its roots back to the one couple who started North Norfolk 17,000 years ago.
The iceman cometh.
Quote: Marc P @ October 23 2009, 12:02 PM BSTSee I didn't know these things and if I hadn't watched the show this morning I would have missed out on this information. So well done Ms Bonnie.
She didn't get it quite right mind; 17,000 BP was the maximum extent of the ice. As Tim says, we are technically still in an Ice Age, but in an inter-glacial period. The last glacial period ended around 12,500 BP, which was when what later became the British Isles would have been reoccupied. There is some dispute as to the extent to which that original hunter-gatherer gene pool has been diluted by subsequent migrations, but it is worth bearing in mind in any case that as homo sapiens only emerged out of Africa around 50,000 BP, such genetic diversity as exists is mainly in Africa rather than between non-African populations. What is meant by indigenous should really be defined in terms of language and culture than rather than of race. I know a lot of people of ethnic stock who strike me as being very British indeed.
Like that posh gay black man who was on Big Brother a few years back! He was the most Britishest man evah.
Quote: Rhubarb @ October 23 2009, 11:56 AM BSTThanks for the advice (echoes of 1938) This hasn't been a rational debate. It's more of an orgy.
There has certainly been no debate, rational, or otherwise on your side; given your palpable lack of aptitude in that respect I can see why you do not see that as the way "to stop" the BNP.
And as for being an orgy, as Nick Griffin said, what myself and Tim Walker get up to in the privacy of our own message board is our business.
That was hilarious! "Eww, gays are creepy." Like a flipping 6 year old boy. Pathetic!
Quote: Timbo @ October 23 2009, 12:21 PM BSTAnd as for being an orgy, as Nick Griffin said, what myself and Tim Walker get up to in the privacy of our own message board is our business.
And Griffin has a point. Even I find what me and Timbo get up to "creepy" and I'm an active and willing participant.
Quote: zooo @ October 23 2009, 12:23 PM BSTThat was hilarious! "Eww, gays are creepy." Like a flipping 6 year old boy. Pathetic!
To be fair, it's not necessarily homophobic to find that the sight of two blokes kissing or having sex together personally repulses you. So long as you accept that this in no way gives you the right to stop them, then how you feel about the sight is your own business. Plenty of gay guys I have met have openly admitted that they find the idea of heterosexual sex disgusting. Does this make them "heterophobes"?
Quote: Tim Walker @ October 23 2009, 12:26 PM BSTTo be fair, it's not necessarily homophobic to find the idea of two blokes kissing or having sex together personally repulses you, so long as you accept that this in no way gives you the right to stop them. Plenty of gay guys I have met have openly admitted that they find the idea of heterosexual sex disgusting. Does this make them "heterophobes"?
I find people kissing in public quite distasteful. Holding hands is alright...just. I'm a dirty Hetromo-phobe!
Quote: Tim Walker @ October 23 2009, 12:26 PM BSTTo be fair, it's not necessarily homophobic to find that the sight of two blokes kissing or having sex together personally repulses you. So long as you accept that this in no way gives you the right to stop them, then how you feel about the sight is your own business.
Prezunctly.
I might (I do) find two very old and/or ugly straight people kissing in public pretty creepy, but that doesn't mean I can ban it. 
Quote: zooo @ October 23 2009, 12:19 PM BSTLike that posh gay black man who was on Big Brother a few years back! He was the most Britishest man evah.
Chris Eubank?
On the point about gay snogging in public, I must admit to finding it aesthetically unpleasing*. But then there are a lot of heterosexual couples I would rather not watch eat one anothers' faces. A bit of decorum wouldn't go amiss. (I am afraid that there are some homosexuals of my acquaintance who consciously set out, if not to outrage, then to test others' liberal tolerance.)
*Obviously I am only talking about male homosexuals, not lesbians. 
Quote: Tim Walker @ October 23 2009, 12:26 PM BSTAnd Griffin has a point. Even I find what me and Timbo get up to "creepy" and I'm an active and willing participant.
Look, the goat was your idea...
Quote: Marc P @ October 23 2009, 12:31 PM BSTChris Eubank?
Ha, he was a bit of a Eubank.
This fellow!
Quote: Timbo @ October 23 2009, 12:35 PM BSTLook, the goat was your idea...
Yes, but it wasn't my idea to drink its blood. 
As an elected representative there is a place for Griffin to be interviewed but this over-hyped Question Time appearance felt like a cynical ratings grabbing circus that if it was conducted by Sky or the Jeremy Kyle Show would have had the most pompous criticism imaginable from BBC executives.
Quote: Scottidog @ October 22 2009, 6:41 PM BSTIf you listen to SOME of the views and read the manifesto, alot of what the BNP says makes a hell of alot of sense...
It's just that the racist thing's an issue...
What thankfully came across on Question Time is that his race politics is what informs and drives barmy Griffin's whole ideology and not just 'a thing' slotted in next to his populist autobahn building pledge in his manifesto.
Quote: youngian @ October 23 2009, 1:20 PM BSTWhat thankfully came across on Question Time is that his race politics is what informs and drives barmy Griffin's whole ideology and not just 'a thing' slotted in next to his populist autobahn building pledge in his manifesto.
Everyone seems to be saying that Griffin was exposed and made to look bad last night, but I just don't see it.
I know it might be going against the "party line" on this issue, but as I said before, there will a lot of people who will have watched that programme and have seen the other politicians and the audience bullying the man and won't like the way he was treated at all. I don't think it serves any purpose to pretend otherwise. The constant barrage of criticism he received will have gained him much sympathy from the wider non-political class.
If one is against the BNP then of course one would prefer to believe that he had been "found out" last night, but that's not the reality. None of the politicians properly debated him, they just made conspicuously self-congratulatory sound-bites to please the audience. They didn't really try to tackle him on any intellectual level, and the audience were like peasants with a blood lust, coming to throw rotten fruit at the man in the stocks.
