Nick Griffin on Question Time Page 21

Quote: Tim Walker @ October 23 2009, 1:31 AM BST

Maxing out the country's credit card is not exactly "economic growth".

Yes, it's very harsh that we forget how well-off the country was when he was Chancellor. Very harsh indeed. I hope Labour remind everyone at the next election just what a brilliant job he did.

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And that astonishing achievement of selling the majority of our gold reserves just before world gold prices rocketed. Such financial and fiscal foresight and acumen.

Quote: Kevin Murphy @ October 23 2009, 1:33 AM BST

Fair do's. Find and Replace.

"I was thinking rather that it's a little bit naive to assume that a level playing field, without people pointing out what a c**t **THE BNP AND ITS POLICIES** is, would automatically highlight said c**tishness."

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Well, I guess we'll just have to differ on this one then. I'm well aware that they have many seemingly sensible, well-considered policies (such as those that Scottidog was alluding to earlier, and that have brought them electoral success over the past couple of years) that may have come out - but I feel certain that there would have been an awful lot of bollocks there too.

Quote: Bert Bastard @ October 23 2009, 1:35 AM BST

Cameron does indeed have experience of government. He was one of Norman Lamont's Special Advisors on Black Wednesday.

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So he's learnt not to get us too involved with the EU, and to be especially careful when it comes to monetary policy. Even more likely to get my vote!

Quote: Bert Bastard @ October 23 2009, 1:35 AM BST

Cameron does indeed have experience of government. He was one of Norman Lamont's Special Advisors on Black Wednesday.

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True, but I don't think he really pulled the strings on that day somehow.

Besides, "Black Wednesday" was a drop in the ocean compared with the current financial mess (which was not helped by Brown failing to balance the books for years before the global markets had a collective heart attack).

"Black Wednesday" did most harm to private wealth, notably stocks and listed companies, than it did to the bedrock of the country's public and reserve finances. It was foolish that the Conservatives tried to excuse it as "an adjustment" in exchange rates, but it was true to some extent. More of a currency devaluing issue, as opposed to wiping out the country's economic base. This is why the economy recovered relatively quickly back then.

Don't think that's going to happen in the current situation. It won't.

If it were to happen that quickly, I think it already would have done anyway, no? It's 2 years since all of this started. I'd never even heard of Northern Rock until lines of hundreds of northerners were on my TV, demanding their hard earned pennies back.

Black Wednesday was a drop in the ocean. Strangely it made a bigger political impact than the present financial crisis. Probably cos it happened on one day and people trusted the Tories more on the economy at the time. They thought Major was crap. That confirmed it.

I bet the Tories won't have a referundum on the Lisbon Treaty. Do they really won't to spend the first year or so in government obsessing about the EU? They'd be daft. Anyway, what happened to Nick Griffin?

Quote: Aaron @ October 23 2009, 1:49 AM BST

If it were to happen that quickly, I think it already would have done anyway, no? It's 2 years since all of this started. I'd never even heard of Northern Rock until lines of hundreds of northerners were on my TV, demanding their hard earned pennies back.

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The harsh reality is that once the rest of the banking sector saw Northern Rock bailed out by Labour, they knew that whatever they did they'd be rescued. So of course they did nothing to take stock of their situations and continued on their short-termist smash'n'grab lending and acquisition policies.

And guess what happened? Surprise-surprise!

(The government should have underwritten savings accounts and mortgage holder's investments only and let the rest of Northern Rock go to the wall. It would have meant some people lost money, but it would have sent the correct signal to the rest.)

Quote: Bert Bastard @ October 23 2009, 1:51 AM BST

Black Wednesday was a drop in the ocean. Strangely it made a bigger political impact than the present financial crisis. Probably cos it happened on one day and people trusted the Tories more on the economy at the time. They thought Major was crap. That confirmed it.

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Of course the fag end of the Major government actually shepherded the economy back into the healthy state which Labour inherited. After being the "tough love" Chancellor for all of two years (sticking to Tory spending plans), Gordon splurged and sold, splurged and borrowed, from then on. Easy to keep an economy looking stable and experiencing growth if you're robbing Peter to pay Paul, which he did for many years. Borrow and stealth tax to fund public sector projects provided by private companies. There's loads of money in the pot to hand out, but when you ask for some of it back... sorry, it's gone.

Quote: catskillz @ October 23 2009, 1:15 AM BST

This might've already been mentioned, but what were the "intercepted radio messages", concerning Jews during the Second World War, that Griffin was on about?

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Anyone?

Quote: catskillz @ October 23 2009, 2:09 AM BST

Anyone?

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No idea what that was all about. Obviously Mr Griffin was at one time not convinced by the huge wealth of documental and eye witness evidence as to the extent of the scale of the Holocaust and some other piece(s) of evidence convinced him.

Then again, at least he did his research and came to the correct conclusion. In some ways better than blindly accepting something you have been taught as true. People who deny the Holocaust can only do so through wilful ignorance of the evidential facts, of course.

Quote: catskillz @ October 23 2009, 2:09 AM BST

Anyone?

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One thing that struck me yesterday when I saw his holocaust/flat Earth quote was a "..." in between the two statements. I'd like to have known what the rest of what he said was, and whether this is another politically fuelled misrepresentation of the facts. From what I saw on Question Time, and what (admittedly little) I've read/seen/heard of the controversy in the past, it seemed to me that he had questioned the common consensus as to the extent of the holocaust, not whether it had happened at all.

What this radio evidence that he spoke of was, I've not the foggiest.

Quote: Aaron @ October 23 2009, 2:44 AM BST

One thing that struck me yesterday when I saw his holocaust/flat Earth quote was a "..." in between the two statements. I'd like to have known what the rest of what he said was, and whether this is another politically fuelled misrepresentation of the facts. From what I saw on Question Time, and what (admittedly little) I've read/seen/heard of the controversy in the past, it seemed to me that he had questioned the common consensus as to the extent of the holocaust, not whether it had happened at all.

What this radio evidence that he spoke of was, I've not the foggiest.

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Well you'd have to be truly mad to claim there was no systematic maltreatment of minorities in the Reich. There's a vast diference between the David Irvings who say it was a few thousand who died of Cholera in detention. And the fairly accepted reports of systematic industrialised murder.

Opening that Pandora's box is pretty dangerous.

That said I am far more perturbed by Dave Cameron's new right wing European chums, then this dreary man.

Quote: Aaron @ October 23 2009, 1:25 AM BST

Of course, a Conservative politician will always face more scrutiny than a liberal or left one as an innate result of the politics of the media.

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Prejudiced silliness the press will monster who evers in charge. The BBC and Channel 4 have had plenty of documentaries, news reports and so on on every area of New Lab failure.

So much so that actually fairly good workable ideas, have been seen as failures when they weren't.

N.B. the radio broadcasts refer to the Enigma chaps knowing about the Holocaust through radio intercepts. Info which Churchill chose not to reveal. By referring to the massacres in the East, he may be slyly implying it's them Central Europeans. Not us nice Western Europeans.

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ October 22 2009, 11:28 PM BST

The English should f**k off back to where they came from and give it back to the Scottish, Welsh and Cornish.

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You mean (original) British, surely?

And the Normans too, should they f off? Their influence more than any other has shaped our culture, heritage and landscape into what it is today.

Personally I love the Anglo Saxon influence, of what little I know of it. It's responsible for the basis of our great language (helped greatly by the Friesians), and the root cause of why we became so civilised. The saxons in particular were magnificent settlers and organizers. Wessex was a superior Kingdom and made something of the country that British tribes were struggling with after the Romans left.

This noble heritage is unquestionably part of the reason why we have always had a strong Nationalist element in our land, and is possibly why some of the more extreme proclaimers of Nationalism eg. the BNP have this Wagnerian pro Germanic link. After Hitler, this obviously doesn't look very friendly or PC, but forget the nutter existed (Ok, not easy to do) and this overt pride link is really a major force behind the history of one of the world's great nations (us).

Quote: sootyj @ October 22 2009, 11:30 PM BST

Does anyone actually live in Wales? I thought it was abandoned in the 1960s for health and safety reason.

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See that brown thing steaming through your letter box? That's you that is.

*Please note how my succinct and straight to the point posts are far more sophisticated than the obviously insane Alfred J Kipper. Just saying

I missed most of this, but what I saw he came across as a shifty toad completely out of his depth. Plus, Bonnie Greer's quite hot.

Quote: chipolata @ October 23 2009, 10:06 AM BST

he came across as a shifty toad completely out of his depth.

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Pretty much, yes. He banged on about immigration has to stop, ignoring that fact that immigration describes almost all of our history. Then he admitted that even 'indigenous' British were immigrants.

He looked slightly scared of Bonnie Greer - presumably because she was sitting on the side of his shonky eye and he couldn't see if she was about to slap him.

I enjoyed his attempts to ingratiate himself with her by the old bit of arm nudging. And laughing at her jokes. Hah!

Perhaps they should remake Monsters Ball together?