You need to step back from that one Chappers, I detest Kopites, but this is not down to them and it will be proven!
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Quote: Chappers @ August 26 2011, 4:18 PM BSTIt had nothing to do with pissed up Scousers arriving for the game late and trying to force their way in then?
I went to the quarter-final between West Ham and Norwich in 1989 at Upton Park and the two, count 'em, TWO gates for away fans were locked until less than half an hour before kick-off. There was such a crush that I could lift my feet off the floor and still be carried along - it wasn't nice. 
In the light of what happened a few weeks later in the same competition I always feel a bit uneasy about it.
"I am incredibly excited to be joining QPR at this pivotal time in their history and plan to give my all for the club. I will always have a special relationship with the Geordie nation but sadly they are not the decision makers at St James' Park. I wish to thank each and everyone of them sincerely for their support."
The Geordie nation? What the f**k is he talking about?
Seriously though the whole thing surrounding Barton is a disgrace. I used to have a soft spot for QPR but how can they sign someone like this?
It's practical, very practical. A new young team need a bit of nouse and clout to get by in the premiership. It's how Wimbledon survived for so long. He's a good signing. He's actually not a bad player as well.
Arsenal have offered a laughable £6m for Gary Cahill today and our chairman effectively told Wenger to "f**k off" via twitter!
cheeky french twat
I still see him going though. It's possible another club will outbid Arsenal (Spurs?) and get him, but players still have to want to go to that club. Arsenal get their man by offering constant Champions League football. It's a big lure. They don't need to pay as much money as say, Man City. Bolton will drop their asking price and probably meet about halfway, if Cahill insists he wants to go to Arsenal.
If Jones was worth £16m then Cahill is worth as much
More experienced
Full England caps
can score goals
Wenger moaned about barca not offering enough for Febregas then has the nerve to insult us with that piss poor offer
tosser
I think the fact that Cahill is in the last year of his contract would lower his price anyway. Normally, he'd be worth £15m-£20m going by other prices, but due to the contract I think he'll go for about £11m.
Roger Johnson went from Blues for £4m + add-ons. Now, that was a swizz. Scott Dann is also likely to leave for Arsenal. We are asking for over £8m.
But Wenger's playing the game, that's all. Jones was simply overpriced and MU have the cash. Arsenal, for some odd reason, don't, or are much more tight with it. MU, MC and Chelsea have inflated the average price of players because they have paid silly money and can afford to.
But Arsenal and Liverpool have the lure of reputation and history that two of those clubs lack. They tend to get their star players for a lot less. Not counting the strange 35m Carroll transfer. That was unusual.
Not that Jones is worth £16m but that offer was an absolute joke. How anyone who isn't a regular international can worth over £12-15m is beyond me.
On market value then yes, Cahill has to worth at least that - I'd be happier with him than Jones any day.
RE: Carroll at £35m.
John Henry said to Chelsea they wanted £15m more for Torres than they would have to pay for Carroll. Newcastle inflated the price. Torres, realistically, was worth £30m, so £15m for Carroll would have been reasonable.
Allegedly.
It shows what a strange artificial market top league football is. That TV doc Alan Sugar did showed what a made up mess football prices were. It's more akin to auction prices for world famous art than any normal trading market. They are crazy prices, justified only by the fact that the richest people in the world want them.
Now those multibillionaire playboys are dabbling in football, exactly the same insane inflation is happening.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ August 26 2011, 7:36 PM BSTBut Wenger's playing the game, that's all. Jones was simply overpriced and MU have the cash. Arsenal, for some odd reason, don't, or are much more tight with it. MU, MC and Chelsea have inflated the average price of players because they have paid silly money and can afford to.
But Arsenal and Liverpool have the lure of reputation and history that two of those clubs lack. They tend to get their star players for a lot less. Not counting the strange 35m Carroll transfer. That was unusual.
Henderson aswell.
Quote: Chappers @ August 26 2011, 4:18 PM BSTIt had nothing to do with pissed up Scousers arriving for the game late and trying to force their way in then?
Quote: Chappers @ August 26 2011, 5:26 PM BSTI clearly remember seeing TV footage at the time. They were running to get there on time after leaving local pubs and then pushing their way in.
On the day of the game, there were unannounced roadworks on the M62, that meant a significant amount of fans arrived late. Also the turnstiles in the Leppings Lane end were slow and archaic, which resulted in the congestion of fans outside the ground. As Tuumble highlighted, anybody who attended Hillsborough for a major cup game at the time was aware that the place was an absolute death trap. We played Forrest the year before there, and by all accounts a disaster was very close to happening that year as well.
The issue of fans arriving late and drunk? I have never seen the footage you have spoken of Chappers. It surprises me that it is not available somewhere online, or played more regularly as there are some very powerful people who had a lot invested in the idea that late, drunk fans caused the disaster. Not to mention that there are also some people out there whose hatred of Liverpool (both the city and the club) is so strong that they use the Hillsborough disaster to try and attack the club and its fans - that footage would be a great coup for them.
My dad and my uncle where both at Hillsborough, and in the Leppings Lane end. Their account of what happened (and everybody else I've ever spoke to who was there) places no emphasis at all on late and drunk fans being a contributing factor to the disaster.
At around 10 minutes before kick off, there were still aproximately 2000 fans outside trying to get in. Is the idea that all these people had been the boozer getting smashed until ten minutes before kick-off really a plausible explanation of why the disaster happened? Why this game did that happen and never before? Why week in week out at Anfield did we not have 2000 people outside the Kop trying to get in the game minutes before kick-off totally pissed up? Is it really plausible that on this match-day only, 2000 scousers went "why don't we all stay in the pub as late as possible getting shitfaced, and risk missing the start of one of the best games of the season?"
Some fans will have been drunk, and some fans may have left the pub late. This happens at every major football game in the country regardless of what clubs people follow. But it did not happen at Hillsborough on such a significant level to be a significant contributing factor to the disaster. The disaster happened due bad policing, terrible stadium design and the penning in of fans on the terrace.
This is a good resource on how the disaster took place and is worth reading:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7992845.stm
Now, after a few pages of talk of football disasters, it would be nice to get back to talking about the sport itself.
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