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Quote: Spagett @ August 30 2009, 10:49 PM BST

Exactly.

I understand Man Utd are hated by most fans but Chappers seems to go beyond the call of duty for hatred.

It's not like his team Chelsea are beloved is it?

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I come from a family pretty much divided along a Fulham/Chelsea line. Because of that I've never really hated Chelsea in the way that outsiders seem to think I should. I don't want Chelsea to lose every game they play, but it does always seem to turn out I'd like them to lose the important ones. I've a soft spot for Man U, but as Fulham have operated in the lower reaches of the league for much of my life, I've had the opportunity to create faux links with lots of top sides. Sometimes football' far too partisan. I lived in Liverpool for five years and I think in every Stanley Park derby I watched I cheered every goal. Apart form when I was watching the gam ein the stadium: I'm open minded, not suicidal.

Quote: Spagett @ August 30 2009, 10:49 PM BST

Exactly.

I understand Man Utd are hated by most fans but Chappers seems to go beyond the call of duty for hatred.

It's not like his team Chelsea are beloved is it?

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Sorry! I can't help it. It's the sheer arrogance of the club from the thug of a manager through to the supporters. I mean doesn't it get boring?

Quote: Rob H @ August 30 2009, 11:00 PM BST

I come from a family pretty much divided along a Fulham/Chelsea line. Because of that I've never really hated Chelsea in the way that outsiders seem to think I should. I don't want Chelsea to lose every game they play, but it does always seem to turn out I'd like them to lose the important ones. I've a soft spot for Man U, but as Fulham have operated in the lower reaches of the league for much of my life, I've had the opportunity to create faux links with lots of top sides. Sometimes football' far too partisan. I lived in Liverpool for five years and I think in every Stanley Park derby I watched I cheered every goal. Apart form when I was watching the gam ein the stadium: I'm open minded, not suicidal.

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The Merseyside Derby has always been the friendliest of English Derby matches. This is mainly because Goodison and Anfield are so close, meaning there's no real tribalism between the two sets of fans. If you watch a Mersey Derby on T.V., you always see the fans sitting next to each other. If you look at footage of the famous 4-4 FA Cup game, that I mentioned a few days ago, the Gladwys Street end, which still had old-fashioned terracing back then, was filled with almost as many reds as it was blues. Check out this clip of the match and look at all the Liverpool fans in the end on the right of the screen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRP1DqdQz-g You'd never get Rangers and Celtic fans, or West Ham and Millwall fans mixing like that.

Quote: catskillz @ August 31 2009, 12:45 AM BST

The Merseyside Derby has always been the friendliest of English Derby matches. This is mainly because Goodison and Anfield are so close, meaning there's no real tribalism between the two sets of fans. If you watch a Mersey Derby on T.V., you always see the fans sitting next to each other. If you look at footage of the famous 4-4 FA Cup game, that I mentioned a few days ago, the Gladwys Street end, which still had old-fashioned terracing back then, was filled with almost as many reds as it was blues.

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I can only speak from limited experience, but in my time in Liverpool, it seemed to me that this was becomingly increasingly less the case. My evidence is purely anecdotal,but I've seen Everton fans spat on in the Liverpool end, and vice versa. As an adopted scouser (not my choice! ) I had friends on both sides of the spectrum and went to lots of derbies at both Goodison and Anfield and saw similar things replicated. While there was lots of friendly banter in the city - and I, as an outsider, always enjoyed the fact that the city was split in two in a way that my home city of London could never be - I think that the friendliness changed when it wasn't just between which Liverpudlian side was best, as in the 80s. Fulham v Chelsea is a fairly friendly derby in that Fulham are the second side of lots of Chelsea fans, and we ( I speak not for myself) dislike them immensely in the way that they only reserve for other London clubs. Geographically we may be a derby, with a mile between us, but we've spent the past forty years largely in different reaches f the league, so the geography has become less important than that period of time. London - in this, as in so many other ways! - is very different to the rest of the country, and unique in European football, given the large number of clubs within one city.

Wasn't there some trouble a few years back, when Chelsea and Fulham fans got onto the pitch and some of them started throwing punches? I seem to remember one cocky young Chelsea fan goading the Fulham fans, before getting a fist in his face, from a middle-aged, grey-haired Fulham fan. It was on Sky I think.

Quote: catskillz @ August 31 2009, 1:21 AM BST

Wasn't there some trouble a few years back, when Chelsea and Fulham fans got onto the pitch and some of them started throwing punches? I seem to remember one cocky young Chelsea fan goading the Fulham fans, before getting a fist in his face, from a middle-aged, grey-haired Fulham fan. It was on Sky I think.

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I don't remember that at all. Thought the depictions of the fans sounds accurate!

Quote: Chappers @ August 30 2009, 11:35 PM BST

Sorry! I can't help it. It's the sheer arrogance of the club from the thug of a manager through to the supporters. I mean doesn't it get boring?

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You were a nothing club on the brink of bankruptcy when a random Billionaire came in and gave you hundred of millions of pounds and allowed you to go and buy anyone you wanted. Utd earned their fortune by being a huge successful club for 50 years. You got your fortune by some Russian Mobster dipping into his pockets.

You have a squad that includes John Terry, Ballack, Ashley Cole, Mikel and Drogba. By far the highest percentage of unlikeable tools in football. You have Peter Kenyon as a director and used to have Mouriniho as manager. Now from what I remember he was a tad arrogant no?

So I'm sure you hated him too?

The fact is I don't hate Chelsea. Not like I do Liverpool or Leeds. I still see you as a small club that would win the odd FA Cup nothing more.

Your hatred of Utd confuses me.

Quote: Spagett @ August 31 2009, 1:32 AM BST

You were a nothing club on the brink of bankruptcy when a random Billionaire came in and gave you hundred of millions of pounds and allowed you to go and buy anyone you wanted. Utd earned their fortune by being a huge successful club for 50 years. You got your fortune by some Russian Mobster dipping into his pockets.

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So isn't it more enjoyable to come from nowhere and win the league than be there every year?

I was ecstatic when Blackburn did the same in the mid-90s.

Unfortunately this is now the only way the strangle hold can be broken. I remember QPR being runners up and Norwich and in those days is it was only the champions who went into the European Cup. How ironic that now it's called the Champions League there are so many also-rans.

Quote: Spagett @ August 31 2009, 1:32 AM BST

You were a nothing club on the brink of bankruptcy when a random Billionaire came in and gave you hundred of millions of pounds and allowed you to go and buy anyone you wanted. Utd earned their fortune by being a huge successful club for 50 years. You got your fortune by some Russian Mobster dipping into his pockets.

You have a squad that includes John Terry, Ballack, Ashley Cole, Mikel and Drogba. By far the highest percentage of unlikeable tools in football. You have Peter Kenyon as a director and used to have Mouriniho as manager. Now from what I remember he was a tad arrogant no?

So I'm sure you hated him too?

The fact is I don't hate Chelsea. Not like I do Liverpool or Leeds. I still see you as a small club that would win the odd FA Cup nothing more.

Your hatred of Utd confuses me.

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I do love footballing arguments so I'll address these points;

1) Manchester United have a history of being on the verge of bankruptcy before being taken over and bankrolled - do the names John Henry Davies and James Gibson ring a bell?

2.) Chelsea weren't a 'nothing' club before Abramovich took over. We won more trophies in the nineties than Aston Villa, Tottenham, Leeds, Manchester City, Everton, West Ham and Newcastle put together and only Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal have had more post war Top 6 finishes.

3. Unlikeables - Rooney, Evra, Ferdinand, Ferguson, Neville, Vidic and you've only just got rid of Ronaldo - I think you win on that headcount.

Personally, I hate Manchester United for cheating us out of the 1994 Cup Final, and as much as I also dislike Liverpool, you've always been in their shadow and are a pale imitation.

Quote: Splodge @ August 31 2009, 6:01 PM BST

Unlikeables - Rooney, Evra, Ferdinand, Ferguson, Neville, Vidic and you've only just got rid of Ronaldo - I think you win on that headcount.

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You forgot Scholes and Wes Brown.

The only ones I have any respect for are Giggs and um.........

Quote: Spagett @ August 31 2009, 1:32 AM BST

used to have Mouriniho as manager. Now from what I remember he was a tad arrogant no?

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He was arrogant but a character. And most of it was tongue in cheek.

He was the best think to happen to English club management since Brian Clough.

Ferguson may be a good manager but as a person he really is an arsehole.

Quote: Splodge @ August 31 2009, 6:01 PM BST

I do love footballing arguments so I'll address these points;

1) Manchester United have a history of being on the verge of bankruptcy before being taken over and bankrolled - do the names John Henry Davies and James Gibson ring a bell?

2.) Chelsea weren't a 'nothing' club before Abramovich took over. We won more trophies in the nineties than Aston Villa, Tottenham, Leeds, Manchester City, Everton, West Ham and Newcastle put together and only Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal have had more post war Top 6 finishes.

3. Unlikeables - Rooney, Evra, Ferdinand, Ferguson, Neville, Vidic and you've only just got rid of Ronaldo - I think you win on that headcount.

Personally, I hate Manchester United for cheating us out of the 1994 Cup Final, and as much as I also dislike Liverpool, you've always been in their shadow and are a pale imitation.

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So one FA cup in the nineties makes you a big club?

You were no where near winning the title and certainly no where near winning the Champions League although thanks to you constantly bottling it in Europe you still have never won that.

I am not trying to argue Utd are whiter than white I was pointing out how farcical it was for Chappers to slag off Utd when he follows quite possibly the only other team equally as hated as Utd.

If we are in Liverpool's shadow what are you to us?

3 league titles and no European Cups. You aren't even on our radar.

Who though in their right mind supports a team because they're succesful?

It's like that John Thompson character in the Fast Show who said he used to support Arsenal when they were good but now supports Manchester United.

Quote: Chappers @ August 31 2009, 6:45 PM BST

Who though in their right mind supports a team because they're succesful?

It's like that John Thompson character in the Fast Show who said he used to support Arsenal when they were good but now supports Manchester United.

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I come from Manchester and a family of Utd supporters.

Glory Hunting I agree is wrong but there are more than enough Chelsea fans that have sprang up from nowhere post 2003.

Quote: Spagett @ August 31 2009, 7:36 PM BST

I come from Manchester and a family of Utd supporters.

Glory Hunting I agree is wrong but there are more than enough Chelsea fans that have sprang up from nowhere post 2003.

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I've done the opposite. Well since 1983 actually when my kids were growing up. I had a Chelsea saeson ticket once - in 1976 I think when they came second in the old second division and got promoted.

Since 1986 I've gone back to my first team Sutton United.

Quote: Chappers @ August 31 2009, 6:45 PM BST

Who though in their right mind supports a team because they're succesful?

It's like that John Thompson character in the Fast Show who said he used to support Arsenal when they were good but now supports Manchester United.

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I agree, I feel sorry for Manchester United fans, they'll never properly understand what it's like to be a football supporter because they think it's all about trophies - the scenes at Old Trafford when they lost 4-1 to Liverpool and half their fans left after 60 minutes were just an embarrassment.

I don't feel the need to measure up to Man Utd so I never compare Chelsea with them. Football to me and every non Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal supporter means a lot more than that. However, Manchester United are always trying to measure up with Liverpool, but deep down they know that don't even compare, and because it really bugs them is what makes it funny.

When United won their 18th league title, How did their fans celebrate? By taunting Liverpool.

Napoleon Syndrome.