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Quote: Matthew Stott @ June 28 2009, 7:21 PM BST

Being punished when you're a perfectly decent person whose done nothing, and will do nothing, wrong isn't silly? Maybe you've got a different dictionary definition of the word than me!

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There is a lot to be said for learning that life isn't fair and learning to deal with it.

Quote: sootyj @ June 28 2009, 7:25 PM BST

Similar thing in Kibbutzim and certain Soviet academies found the same thing. Life isn't fair, people who learn and move on from that at an early age do well.

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I seem to have become Sooty's echo...

Quote: Timbo @ June 28 2009, 7:25 PM BST

There is a lot to be said for learning that life isn't fair and learning to deal with it.

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I don't know, this thread is stirring up the fascist in some it seems!

As if punishing the decent and law abiding is a good idea. Madness.

Quote: sootyj @ June 28 2009, 7:25 PM BST

Similar thing in Kibbutzim and certain Soviet academies found the same thing. Life isn't fair, people who learn and move on from that at an early age do well.

So? Having things to complain about is character building.

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What's the definition of 'do well'?

Psychologist James Oliver claims psychopathic behaviour is linked to Kibbutz-ism.

One of the things that 4 years in the Army taught me was that I didn't want a career in the Army. It made the rest of my jobs seem much more bearable.

(I still work with Army buddies from 20 years ago doing the same job I did in the military.)

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ June 28 2009, 7:27 PM BST

Psychologist James Oliver claims psychopathic behaviour is linked to Kibbutz-ism.

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Shouldn't he stick to making bacon butties on television?

He would wouldn't he?

Just an extremely high number of Israeli high acheivers, writers, leaders etc came out of the Kibbutz movement, during the era when kids pretty much left home aged 4.

Pitt the elder one of Britain's greatest primeministers was in boarding school by age 5 I believe.

Quote: sootyj @ June 28 2009, 7:25 PM BST

So? Having things to complain about is character building.

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You can have plenty to complain about and build character without being sent to boarding school, or forced into the army! I'm not entirely sure you're not saying these things just to flabberghast me Sooty!

Quote: DaButt @ June 28 2009, 7:29 PM BST

One of the things that 4 years in the Army taught me was that I didn't want a career in the Army.

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But I've always known that, would I have the option to tick that box and dodge the draft?

Quote: sootyj @ June 28 2009, 7:30 PM BST

Pitt the elder one of Britain's greatest primeministers was in boarding school by age 5 I believe.

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Seperated from his parents for long stretches of his childhood; wonderful! Some would argue it's quite important to be brought up surrounded by a loving family, rather than a hundred other boys and the constant danger of buggery.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ June 28 2009, 7:27 PM BST

I don't know, this thread is stirring up the fascist in some it seems!

As if punishing the decent and law abiding is a good idea. Madness.

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See from anarchosyndicalist point of view you are the worst sort of criminal.

You're privileged lifestyle is dependent on the abuse and robbing of peasant workers all around the world.

The fact that you don't even view this as a crime makes you deserving of some form of reeducation.

Very sorry to hear that Bigfella, and wish your daughter a fast recovery.
It shocks me to the core how the way our country is panning out.
It seems to be everywhere.

Scum breed scum.

I would gladly stand on a hill and watch these people hang.
Your daughter was lucky and it could have been alot worse.

They need punishing - 'oh let's give them community service, and put them in a charity shop to work at weekends'...

It's bullshit.

In some ways I agree with the system America have.

My dad was in the Police for 30 years, he was a sergeant.
He retired last year at the age of 48.

He left due to the politics.

He was leading his team at a football game, the fans started brawling outside, and started fighting with the police. A West Ham fan pulled a knife on him, so he was obviously shocked, and as a reaction, thinking fast shoved his helmet into the guys face.

He was reported, as he shattered the fan's face, broke his cheek bones and nose.
It went to court, and was all in the news.
But because everybody above him were to scared to put their name on the line they would not back him.

It is all red tape bullshit, he left as soon as he did his 30 years, and is now happily retired doing what he wants.

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Quote: Matthew Stott @ June 28 2009, 7:32 PM BST

But I've always known that, would I have the option to tick that box and dodge the draft?

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Sure, you could have chosen to empty bedpans at the hospital or - roll up your sleeves - artificially inseminate the endangered rhinos at the zoo. Or you could shoot machine guns and blow stuff up!

Quote: Dolly Dagger @ June 28 2009, 7:23 PM BST

One of the most successful parenting tools is praising and rewarding good behaviour and ignoring the bad.

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Just out of curiosity at what point do you stop ignoring the bad behaviour - knifing or shooting?

I actually agree with what you are saying up to a point, but children need boundaries.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ June 28 2009, 7:27 PM BST

I don't know, this thread is stirring up the fascist in some it seems!

As if punishing the decent and law abiding is a good idea. Madness.

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Obviously I would never advocate punishing someone who was innocent, but surely you must see the benefit in learning how to respond constructively to injustice?

Quote: Timbo @ June 28 2009, 7:35 PM BST

Just out of curiosity at what point do you stop ignoring the bad behaviour - knifing or shooting?

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What kind of bad ass toddlers do you know??

I'd like to return to a time when people were scared of the police.

I'd also like to see punishments reflect that a prison sentence for some one with a responsible job and a mortgage are far tougher.

Quote: Timbo @ June 28 2009, 7:36 PM BST

Obviously I would never advocate punishing someone who was innocent, but surely you must see the benefit in learning how to respond constructively to injustice?

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But that's what you were agreeing with when you agreed with Sooty. Obviously it's a good thing to be able to 'respond constructively to injustice'

Quote: Scottidog @ June 28 2009, 7:34 PM BST

He was leading his team at a football game, the fans started brawling outside, and started fighting with the police. A West Ham fan pulled a knife on him, so he was obviously shocked, and as a reaction, thinking fast shoved his helmet into the guys face.

He was reported, as he shattered the fans face, broke his cheek bones and nose.
It went to court, and was all in the news.
But because everybody above him were to scared to put their name on the line they would not back him.

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In the States that fan would have had about 2 seconds to drop the knife or be shot. Gene pool cleansed, the good guys win.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ June 28 2009, 7:36 PM BST

What kind of bad ass toddlers do you know??

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Kids bring knives to school at earlier ages all the time.

Ignoring negative behaviour devalues the person.