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Quote: sootyj @ February 15 2009, 9:40 PM GMT

Of course it's unfair, but your not seriously comparing it to state persecution? Also China and Russia aetheist have no gay marriage; infact I think they may ban gayness.

You seemed to imply that Christian or Jewish countries were not guilty of any persecution whereas I have, in fact, demonstrated that they are. None of these religions are without their bad points, none of them should be given a free ride. Muslim extremism, in this country and the middle east is despicable but that doesn't make other religions right. It doesn't make atheism right either, but whereas organised religion may breed hatred and intolerance atheism at least lets the intolerant reach their own (stupid) conclusions.

Quote: PhQnix @ February 15 2009, 10:10 PM GMT

whereas organised religion may breed hatred and intolerance atheism at least lets the intolerant reach their own (stupid) conclusions.

I do not think Lenin, Mao or Pot were particularly keen on people reaching their own conclusions, and by no means all religious thinkers advocate stifling freedom of thought.

Quote: DaButt @ February 15 2009, 9:26 PM GMT

Sexual assault is not a trifling matter. And scaring someone off with a pistol is also infinitely less violent than slapping them across the face, for instance.

Weren't we talking about an idiot slapping/squeezing a buttock? A gun seems like an over reaction to me. Maybe things are different in the States.

Quote: Aaron @ February 15 2009, 9:40 PM GMT

But are they physically hateful, or just vocally?

So vocally is Ok? Obviously physically is worse.

Quote: Timbo @ February 15 2009, 10:22 PM GMT

I do not think Lenin, Mao or Pot were particularly keen on people reaching their own conclusions, and by no means all religious thinkers advocate stifling freedom of thought.

Lenin, Mao and Pot did not draw their conclusions from their atheism, so the comparison is a tad overstretched. Even so I would not think to argue that all religious thinkers do stifle freedom of thought, being religious doesn't necessarily equate with stifling freedoms. I would, however, argue that any ideologically based organisation by its very nature seeks to stifle free thinking. This includes any religious organisation and any totalitarian government.

I do not think that all organised religion is bad, I do thin there is a link between the oppression of people across the world and religion, however. Regardless if this is someone suffering in Iran or the USA or in England it's not right.

People of Islamic faith generally prefer the spelling "Muslim" to "Moslem", although the representation of Arabic vowels is tricky in English, as I recall.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ February 15 2009, 10:34 PM GMT

So vocally is Ok? Obviously physically is worse.

Pose question. Answer it oneself.

The Stott Way.

Quote: Graham Bandage @ February 15 2009, 10:44 PM GMT

People of Islamic faith generally prefer the spelling "Muslim" to "Moslem", although the representation of Arabic vowels is tricky in English, as I recall.

Wise words of the Bandage. Never read anything into western spellings of Arabic (or for that matter, any other non-germanic language's) words.

All this means is that Aaron's grammar and spelling compuction is a bit screwed.

Quote: Aaron @ February 15 2009, 11:25 PM GMT

Pose question. Answer it oneself.

The Stott Way.

Well no, the way you answered made it sound like if the response was only vocal then this was in some way Ok. Then I was saying that obvioulsy a physical response was worse though, in case anyone jumped on me assuming that I equate the vocal and the physical attack as the same in levels of bastard-ness. It's all there.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ February 16 2009, 8:57 AM GMT

Well no, the way you answered made it sound like if the response was only vocal then this was in some way Ok.

Not sure how that could possibly be read into what I said. In fact, I'm not entirely sure how one could read a condemnation either.

Quote: PhQnix @ February 15 2009, 10:40 PM GMT

Lenin, Mao and Pot did not draw their conclusions from their atheism, so the comparison is a tad overstretched. Even so I would not think to argue that all religious thinkers do stifle freedom of thought, being religious doesn't necessarily equate with stifling freedoms. I would, however, argue that any ideologically based organisation by its very nature seeks to stifle free thinking. This includes any religious organisation and any totalitarian government.

I do not think that all organised religion is bad, I do thin there is a link between the oppression of people across the world and religion, however. Regardless if this is someone suffering in Iran or the USA or in England it's not right.

Well Mao and Pol Pot's aetheism was an outgrowth of their greater socialist beliefs. In the same way that belief in God is only part of a religious person's belief. If you mean fundamentalist stifles some areas of thought you're probably right. But not all religions are fundamentalist and most have very few "hard articles of faith." I think you may be thinking of how religion like all belief systems can be abused.

We also need to see oppression in context. And that means accepting there is a sliding scale. I'll opose some one trying to ban Jerry Springer the Opera and cervical cancer jabs. I'll also oppose stoning of homsexuals both are wrong.

The thing is one is worse, I'm surprised you don't see it. The number of women abused, mutilated or killed due to certain Islamic (and in fairness animist) principles in this country is disturbing (even if this reflects a obdurate minority). It's good to see the police finally taking this seriously (social services need to catch up frankly!)

Quote: sootyj @ February 16 2009, 12:26 PM GMT

I think you may be thinking of how religion like all belief systems can be abused.

I probably was thinking that, y'know,'cos that's what I said.

Quote: sootyj @ February 16 2009, 12:26 PM GMT

The thing is one is worse, I'm surprised you don't see it. The number of women abused, mutilated or killed due to certain Islamic (and in fairness animist) principles in this country is disturbing (even if this reflects a obdurate minority). It's good to see the police finaly taking this seriously (social services need to catch up frankly!)

I would not think to argue that such abuse or mutilation is not worse. I was merely pointing out that it doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to the intolerant practices of other faiths. You talk of a sliding scale, surely it would be prudent to attack all degrees of intolerance. Ranking the religions according to their intolerance seems a fairly unimportant exercise.

Quote: Aaron @ February 16 2009, 11:58 AM GMT

Not sure how that could possibly be read into what I said.

Take a look at what you wrote, then you might be able to figure out why I asked the question.

Quote: PhQnix @ February 16 2009, 12:34 PM GMT

Ranking the religions according to their intolerance seems a fairly unimportant exercise.

To the extent that their intolerance (and how they act on it) puts them at odds with the values (and laws) of our society, it seems rather important.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ February 16 2009, 1:23 PM GMT

Take a look at what you wrote, then you might be able to figure out why I asked the question.

Yes, I can figure it out: you're even more retarded than I.

Quote: Aaron @ February 16 2009, 4:06 PM GMT

Yes, I can figure it out: you're even more retarded than I.

Churely that be improbable?

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