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Can you teach comedy? Page 3

Quote: Seefacts @ December 6 2008, 7:01 PM GMT

I think writers and people who want to be writers have an aptitude and can pick everything up from just observing comedy and reading scripts.

Yes but that's still learning from other people, as Lee Henman pointed out.

I think we're talking about two different teaching methods here. All humans begin life as blank slates. The most familiar process of teaching in our childhood is the teacher-pupil variety. However, the best form of teaching is the kind that shows the pupil how to learn for themselves, independently.

Some writers have mastered this form of self-teaching BUT there's a remarkably huge and unfounded leap to then imply that the ability to self-teach reveals an aptitude to comedy writing that isn't present in people who use the teacher-pupil form of learning.

Yes, agreed, you still can't be taught how to be funny but how people learn those parts of the writing art that can be taught, does not imply a qualitative difference in the underlying and prerequisite talent.

Surely no one here is suggested that their dialogue has never improved or needed to improve? That from the first moment they wrote dialogue it was perfect and needed neither editing or refining?
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As long as there are things that can be learnt there are things that can be taught.

Quote: Badge @ December 6 2008, 7:55 PM GMT

As long as there are things that can be learnt there are things that can be taught.

I imagined this being said in a Chinese accent as in "Ahh Grasshopper..."

Quote: Wildjesusfishkid @ December 6 2008, 8:05 PM GMT

I imagined this being said in a Chinese accent as in "Ahh Grasshopper..."

You're confucing me with someone else

I also find the people teaching this questionable. As most haven't got a commission between them.

The old adage: those that can't, teach. Laughing out loud

Quote: Griff @ December 6 2008, 8:50 PM GMT

Well, Dave Cohen's made a living from writing radio and TV comedy for many years and continues to do so - Not Going Out, Have I Got News For You etc. Suggesting that "those who can't, teach" in his case is ridiculous.

Again, I think my gripe is more down to those 'qualifications' in writing.

Also, it makes me wonder when pros teach this stuff why not concentrate more on selling their own stuff rather than teaching it to others?

I wasn't actually putting up the adage for serious contention, Griff. ;)

Seefacts, you lost me on the qualifications reference. And I can pick up most things, with a prod and a wink. What you mean, guv?

What does that even mean?

Quote: SlagA @ December 6 2008, 8:54 PM GMT

I wasn't actually putting up the adage for serious contention, Griff. ;)

Seefacts, you lost me on the qualifications reference. And I can pick up most things, with a prod and a wink. What you mean, guv?

Sorry.

I'm talking to myself really regarding the whole 'Creative Writing' umbrella. I don't think you can teach comedy, or drama, or thriller or any of those. And a lot young people THINK a degree in creative writing will be all they need. Whereas all you need to do is study the genre and copy it, then find your voice. And you don't get saddled with 10k of debt.

Okay, we talking about sitcom courses rather than a degree in a wider subject.

I would also say that 'teaching sitcom' is a bit insulting. Sitcom isn't a branch of maths where everything is based in fact, but instead it's a difficult creative thing that not many can do, or will ever be able to do.

I'd never, for example, go to a 'How to write a song' course because whilst music (like television writing) has set practices - scales etcs - the ability to write a brilliant song can't be taught. I know scales and musical theories, but I'll never EVER be Ben Folds. Because he's got something that I haven't. I don't know what it is, or why, but he has.

EDIT: This type of thread should be banned, no bugger agrees with any other - fair enough, it's a forum - and we all fall out.

More productive would maybe be a 'General General' style sitcom writing thread to discuss small points of sitcom writing?

Sitcom is the most rigid and conservative form of comedy.

It's got absolutely definite identifiable rule, which you can spot by pain staking observation.

Or you can read a book that points them out.

Quote: Seefacts @ December 6 2008, 9:00 PM GMT

EDIT: This type of thread should be banned, no bugger agrees with any other - fair enough, it's a forum - and we all fall out.

Well exactly. All feels a bit pointless. It's not like anyone's going to go,'Shit, you're right! What a fool I've been.' These sort of threads always degenerate into sniping and arguments with depressing regularity.

Too true.

I'm not going to fall out with Griffy, or anyone, over silliness!

Quote: sootyj @ December 6 2008, 9:05 PM GMT

Sitcom is the most rigid and conservative form of comedy.

It's got absolutely definite identifiable rule, which you can spot by pain staking observation.

Or you can read a book that points them out.

And write like a robot? I would say write what feels right, not to some supposed formula which states what you 'should' be doing.

Uusally though when some one tries to sound like the love child of Yoda and Das Kapital.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ December 6 2008, 9:13 PM GMT

And write like a robot? I would say write what feels right, not to some supposed formula which states what you 'should' be doing.

All artforms have their strucutres, of course you can subvert them.

But you can only do it well if you understand them.

Of course you could smack a cymbal with your penis and call it free form acid jazz.

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