Quote: billwill @ December 2 2008, 4:50 PM GMTThere is no html tag at the top of the home web page (I did not look at other pages)
repeated in case you missed my late edit of that msg above
Quote: Aaron @ December 2 2008, 4:52 PM GMTWell spotted Bill!
Actuallly it was Microsoft Web Developer Express that spotted it..
Don't edit posts. Just post again.
Aaaand you're the first person I've come across who actually uses that, Bill!
I took the header repeat out about an hour ago.
The html tag must have gone when I fiddled about with the doctype trying to get Explorer to go into quirks mode. I've put it back.
I don't think either of those things were the problem.
I made the site with Dreamweaver which is very bloaty.
I tried all the mods I suggested above and none made any significant difference, but now when I look in more detail at your HTML I see that there are no drop-downs for Counselling, Coahing ContatUs or Links, so on retrying I see that in fact it all works here with IE 7
EXCEPT it leaves a ghost of the dropdown behind when you move the mose off the link on the upper row. Probably fixable by setting the borders off.
Are your users just puzzled that some don't dropdown? If so put in dummy dropdowns.
Mustard-mitt that I've no idea how that complex CSS stuff works to hide & make visible those dropdowns.
The biggest problem should be getting the positioning right, I would have thought. The actual display of the dropdowns would be a pretty simple display: visible/none;, no?
Quote: Aaron @ December 2 2008, 5:19 PM GMTThe biggest problem should be getting the positioning right, I would have thought. The actual display of the dropdowns would be a pretty simple display: visible/none;, no?
The biggest problem is that it just does not work AT ALL in IE 6.
You get no drop-downs at all on IE6, either the original or with all the faults mentioned here corrected.
And since IE7 is still an optional install there are still LOTS of Windows users who have IE6 or earlier.
Alas I think you have to find an alternative method, the world is not yet ready for this one.
Or find a way of doing graceful degradation for users of old browsers.
Quote: billwill @ December 2 2008, 5:41 PM GMTThe biggest problem is that it just does not work AT ALL in IE 6.
But that's the symptom. I'm thinking of the cause.
Quote: Aaron @ December 2 2008, 5:48 PM GMTBut that's the symptom. I'm thinking of the cause.
I expect the cause is that Microsoft did not implent those relevant CSS features in IE6, for which there is no cure as a web developer except wait until only insignificant numbers of users are still using IE6.
Or program it a totally different way, not using those fancy CSS features.
Yeah, that's the rub. It's not that I don't know how to make pull down menus - I made beautiful css ones that worked like a dream on a mac and on firefox/opera/chrome on a pc, but not IE, because - as Billwill says there is only limited css support in explorer. This is simply because microsoft once tried to develop its own competing stylesheet system. Also they have a stated policy to avoid compliancy in some areas to avoid breaking badly coded sites that were written under earlier versions of explorer.
The really frustrating thing is that I have had the current menus working on both IE 6 and 7 and yet Bill couldn't get them to go on his machine. Some versions of 6 seem to display them, others don't.
55% of all computer users in the world surf with this ridiculous browser - the only one with such limited implementation of css.
F**k you microsoft, you f**king clowns.
I'm on IE7 and I get no drop-downs, which is particularly disappointing because "Body Therapies" sounds like a good post-midnight site visit.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ December 3 2008, 12:40 AM GMTYeah, that's the rub. It's not that I don't know how to make pull down menus - I made beautiful css ones that worked like a dream on a mac and on firefox/opera/chrome on a pc, but not IE, because - as Billwill says there is only limited css support in explorer. This is simply because microsoft once tried to develop its own competing stylesheet system. Also they have a stated policy to avoid compliancy in some areas to avoid breaking badly coded sites that were written under earlier versions of explorer.
The really frustrating thing is that I have had the current menus working on both IE 6 and 7 and yet Bill couldn't get them to go on his machine. Some versions of 6 seem to display them, others don't.
55% of all computer users in the world surf with this ridiculous browser - the only one with such limited implementation of css.
F**k you microsoft, you f**king clowns.
It was ever thus. but it used to be Netscape trailing behind Internet Explorer that held web designers back.
Quote: Badge @ December 3 2008, 12:57 AM GMTI'm on IE7 and I get no drop-downs, which is particularly disappointing because "Body Therapies" sounds like a good post-midnight site visit.
Perhaps your IE7 is not up to date ?
I lost interest and understanding after the first sentence of this thread.
Don't really know why I bothered looking at it at all having read the topic and knowing I wouldn't understand it.
Probably because Luddites like me need to validate their perceived nemesis.
It's not hard Geoff. You know what English is, don't you? Well, HTML is just a 'language' for styling web pages.
Quote: billwill @ December 2 2008, 8:00 PM GMTI expect the cause is that Microsoft did not implent those relevant CSS features in IE6, for which there is no cure as a web developer except wait until only insignificant numbers of users are still using IE6.
Or program it a totally different way, not using those fancy CSS features.
I took the only sane way out, Bill. If you take a look at 'Associates' now.
F**k you Microsoft, you money-in-the-mattress f**ks
Quote: Godot Taxis @ December 3 2008, 2:41 PM GMTIt's not hard Geoff. You know what English is, don't you? Well, HTML is just a 'language' for styling web pages.
I took the only sane way out, Bill. If you take a look at 'Associates' now.
The world ain't ready for your real skills yet!!!
