Nah, worn by teenage girls from Topshop.
I read the news today oh boy! Page 831
Also people dying at a reasonable age is a good thing.
I mean a country with 600,0000,000 centerians looked after by 2 6 year olds is no good thing.
So fags, booze and sausage rolls solve a problem.
Providing I dunno when your smelly, fat and yellow enough you I dunno blow your own head off?
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ May 22 2012, 3:53 PM BSTInteresting point about the NHS being for all, even the 'fatties, the drinkers and the smokers'.
Except with one main difference - these groups all pay huge amounts of tax to enjoy their past times, so for every £1 they get, they're probably pumping at least .85p of it back into the tax coffers.
It's these clean living, super healthy idiots that are really costing the NHS. Eg. I fall over pissed and break my arm - boo!, I fall off a mountain doing extreme sports and break my arm - yay! The cost and treatment are the same except Honky McDreads hasn't paid in as much as I have to the system and he gets praise for his injury.
Instead of putting up VAT on Gregg's sausage rolls, they should double the tax on skis, mountain bikes, skateboards and snoods.
I read that current smoking contribution to treasury is over 11 billion, and the cost of treating smoking related illnesses is between 2.4-5 billion. Sorry, can't find source link. Will post if I restumble across it
Quote: zooo @ May 22 2012, 3:48 PM BSTI don't see why a 70 year old of either gender is too old to have a 25 year old kid. They don't have to run around the park with them anymore.
Things really have changed quite remarkably anyway. People still think every 70 year old is bundled up in a wheelchair and blanket wittering on about biscuits, but it's just not like that anymore. People really are staying young and active longer these days. Certainly if they have young people around them.
Yeah, most youngish people think that when you reach 70 you are really old & doddery, I did think so too, but it ain't so, most 70 year olds don't look too different from 60 year olds. Many of you have met me and I'm 71 now; lots of my friends from my old school re-union club are of similar age (+- 10 years) and very few from around 600 of us are wheelchaired.
Being doddery etc, doesn't seem to come on until people are in their 80s now. Those of our ex-school staff still surviving are in their late 80s or mid 90s and I must admit that they are looking a bit frail now.
However, to bring it back on topic, I do think it would be rather late for me to start fathering children now. 
I've got lots of Nephews, Nieces and Grand-nephews and Grand-nieces anyway.
Quote: billwill @ May 23 2012, 12:30 AM BSTMany of you have met me and I'm 71 now;
Point 100% proven then!
I was at a funeral on Monday for a woman in our badminton club and was astounded to learn she'd been 82. Still playing badminton and winning games. Also golf, I believe.
Bill certainly is a spry fellow.
And certainly there is a case for women in their 40s to have IVF.
But its not unreasonable to ask if this 40+ lady will be able to support said kids.
NB also it's not unreasonable to tax junk food in the same way fags and booze are taxed.
I always find it odd how soon these things become a 'right'.
Rights and responsibilities mmm?
I'm in favour of fines for missed apointments and where as I wouldn't bar treatment for people with unhealthy life styles.
It seems more than reasonable to ask people who smoke, over weight, heavy drinkers to improve life style whilst waiting for or recieiving treatment.
Ok here's a scenario I bumped into a few times.
Parents find out they're going to have a profoundly disabled child.
So they go through with the birth. Kid is born and lives for 15 maybe 30 years. Their care costs £200,000-£1,000,000 a year.
Parents divorce due to stress of bringing up said child. So state meets full cost of care. Half a dozen such kids in any local authority and theres a vast drain on resources. So kids with lesser needs get no assessment of needs, kid who with SALT help could be speaking never learns to communicate properly etc.
Of course all kids should have help, especially the most vulnerable.
But as medical science keeps more people alive longer and makes more births viable.
Do some unpalatable choices get more inevitable?
It would be ironic if this planet finally wipes itself out by being too healthy.
Perhaps that's what happens to civilisations - why we never get as far as intergalactic travel?
We cure ourselves to death.
Horrible but not unlikely.
I mean what happens when in the west a century becomes standard and birth rates drop to 1 child per 3 adults say?
Quote: billwill @ May 23 2012, 12:30 AM BSTMany of you have met me and I'm 71 now
There are not many 71 year olds who go partying in Camden until 4am! My hat (well your hat technically) is off to you sir.
What did you guys get upto?
Quote: sootyj @ May 23 2012, 2:46 PM BSTWhat did you guys get upto?
We had to find the Werthers Originals hidden in billwill's front pockets. I groped around for hours but all I could find was a fun size Twix and after trying to grab it, it quickly melted and all the caramel leaked out - or so billwill told me. 
I'm glad there's more than a decade in between infestations, but the damned cicadas are driving me batty. They're LOUD ALL NIGHT LONG.