I read the news today oh boy! Page 769

Quote: sootyj @ April 11 2012, 3:29 PM BST

You know in the 1970s and 1980s there were an awful lot of Irish fellows in prison in the UK.

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Yes there were, a lot of them had to be released as well thanks to fit ups by the corrupt and lazy UK police service.

But you are comparing apples and oranges - the ultimate goal of the IRA was to have a united Ireland, the ultimate goal of a caliphate state is to replace all governments, all over the world with Islamic religious leaders teaching only Sharia law.

Quote: sootyj @ April 11 2012, 3:34 PM BST

But is that relfexive of Muslim criminality or police prejudice?

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Police prejudice? After I pointed out the poverty and the ghettos and the lack of education and employment skills and the rising populations, you're going for police prejudice?

Come on sooty, you can do better then that.

Quote: sootyj @ April 11 2012, 2:13 PM BST

Between NewLab and Conservatives this country is getting to be a very, very silly place.

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Hey !

Don't leave me and the boys out !

Cheers,

Nick.

Maybe oranges and lemons. Certainly on both sides of the coin the war between the Brits and the Jewish Hagganah in the 1940s was a pretty ugly state of affairs on both sides.

It's true to say Islamist terror is a very scary proposition. But it really and truly is not reflexive of main stream Islam. It's more like a poisonous death cult.

As for the proportion of Mulsims in prison. 10,000 out of 2,700,000 is 1 in 270. You mentioned the stat as in prison; not charged with criminal offences, so these stats could easily reflect courts giving non Muslims more non custodial sentences or Muslims being held under none criminal imprisonment.

Quote: Oldrocker @ April 11 2012, 3:43 PM BST

Hey !

Don't leave me and the boys out !

Cheers,

Nick.

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What you're a liberal?

Quick call Attenborough!

Quote: sootyj @ April 11 2012, 3:44 PM BST

It's true to say Islamist terror is a very scary proposition. But it really and truly is not reflexive of main stream Islam. It's more like a poisonous death cult.

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I do agree with you there. It's not so much the religion of Islam I have a problem with, it's the backwards Third Worlders who come from highly corrupt and criminal countries coming to Britain and carrying on with their practices.

My argument is more cultural then religious or racial. I would rather we lived under a multi-racial, secular and mono-cultural society where the rule of law was respected.

Unfortunately, a lot of liberals have mixed up the words 'tolerance' with 'all embracing' and we find ourselves in a situation where to even bring the subject up brands you as racist.

Quote: sootyj @ April 11 2012, 3:09 PM BST

If these terrorists are really trying to bring us down as a country they're doing a piss poor job of it.

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Consider the number of dead civilians and soldiers and the billions you've spent on wars and security and tell me that they're not doing great harm to your country. In a few months you're going to spend about 600 million pounds in an attempt to protect the Olympics from terrorists who are really just bored kids who don't want to work in daddy's shop.

Quote: sootyj @ April 11 2012, 3:44 PM BST

What you're a liberal?

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Soap and water !

Quote: DaButt @ April 11 2012, 3:52 PM BST

In a few months you're going to spend about 600 million pounds in an attempt to protect the Olympics from terrorists

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I really think this Olympic Games is going to be marred by all sorts of protests, disruptions, riots and terrorist attempts.

Unlike the Chinese, who rolled out the troops and cleared the streets before Beijing of all 'malcontents', the British security forces will take a much more reactive stance to any trouble.

The downside is that if anything untoward happens, it will embarrass the UK enough to bring in draconian laws that will be detrimental to future protests and limit the freedom of speech.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ April 11 2012, 3:23 PM BST

Except they're not. The number of Muslim men in jail is massively disproportionate to the Muslim population of Britain.

Take a huge number of unskilled people, living largely in poverty stricken ghettos and increase those numbers through breeding and immigration and combine it with extremely woeful educational standards where learning the Koran is more important then learning science and you have a recipe for disaster.

Notwithstanding that their entire culture flies in the face of everything we hold dear in this country - freedom of speech, equal opportunities, multi-cultural tolerance, a seperation of church and state, etc. - the Muslim population contributes very little in the way of tangible benefits for our society.

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*deduces that RC does not personally know many people of the Muslim faith.*

She described her involvement with Rooney, at a time when his wife Coleen was pregnant, as "a job".

Quote: billwill @ April 11 2012, 4:26 PM BST

*deduces that RC does not personally know many people of the Muslim faith.*

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Just as Groucho Marx famously said that he doesn't want to belong to a club that would accept him as a member, I am fundamentally against any religion that wants to ban beer, bikinis and bacon sandwiches.

C'mon theres alcohol free malt drink, burqinis and turkey bacon.

I rather like burqinis, bit of a genius idea. If I was ever going to go swimming I would get one

Only because they have built in hats

You know me too well. But you can get them without the hijood

Quote: sootyj @ April 11 2012, 3:34 PM BST

But is that relfexive of Muslim criminality or police prejudice?

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Or socio-economic position like everyone else.