I read the news today oh boy! Page 735

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 26 2012, 4:53 PM BST

The report is kind of conflicting, as asthma rates in that same time span rose sharply.

http://www.asthma.org.uk/news_media/media_resources/for_journalists_key.html

(scroll down and click on Wish You Were Here? - Scotland)

The decrease in premature births could be down to a number of factors, including better hospital and midwife care, a change in the population or a change in the ages at which women are giving birth.

Still, it's not cancer from second hand smoke. And thanks to the foreigns, all of our health statistics are compromised. London has the highest levels of TB in Europe, a disease which had almost disappeared two decades ago was re-introduced and spread through mass immigration.

The UK Government was brought to task about the lack of evidence when the smoking ban was introduced, citing it as the main justification for their actions.

It was a 'no-smoke screen'.

I'd be careful about chucking around the word idiot.

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I don't 'chuck' the word around. I use it when it's totally appropriate.

How about this fictional 9 year old girl you seem so fond of... would you be
happy blowing your smoke in her face?

Quote: Matthew Stott @ March 26 2012, 5:07 PM BST

I mean, smoke away, and I've never tried or wanted to stop anyone smoking, or even moved away from people when they're doing it, but let's not pretend it's not bad for anyone who inhales it, first hand or otherwise.

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I'm not pretending that smoking isn't bad for you but neither am I hysterically overreacting.

Asthma rates in the UK are going up whilst the number of smokers are decreasing - though again, this statistic is all screwed up as well, as more and more people are buying their tobacco through black market sources or lying on their medical forms or quitting for a few months, calling themselves a non-smoker and then going back.

Pollution is proving to be far more dangerous then second hand smoke, but because no one wants to give up their car, it's being allowed to slide. Same with alcohol.

Before the smoking ban, tobacco was the easy scapegoat and that mindset still persists today despite evidence to the contrary. It's why some airlines have banned e-cigs, because they represent a cigarette and that's enough for most people to have an unwarranted spaz attack on idealogical grounds.

Sitting outside of a cafe next to a busy road in London is probably far more dangerous then spending time inside a smokey pub.

Quote: rwayne @ March 26 2012, 5:27 PM BST

How about this fictional 9 year old girl you seem so fond of... would you be
happy blowing your smoke in her face?

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I wouldn't be happy to do it, but if she was sat next to me in a smoking pub, then it might unavoidable.

(adds people who bring their kids to the pub on list of scumbags)

There is no second hand smoke without first hand smoke too though is there?

Quote: rwayne @ March 26 2012, 5:32 PM BST

There is no second hand smoke without first hand smoke too though is there?

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Yes and there's no background radiation without radiation. Though there is a massive difference between working in a nuclear power plant and having tritium dials on your wristwatch.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 26 2012, 5:38 PM BST

Yes and there's no background radiation without radiation. Though there is a massive difference between working in a nuclear power plant and having tritium dials on your wristwatch.

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Is that supposed to make sense relative to smoking indoors?

Must try harder!

Interestingly, I read a while ago that the largest study ever done found that the risk of premature birth and babies being underweight was only affected by smoking in the third trimester. But I Can't Find The F**king Report!!
Obviously, I'm not recommending anyone smokes, especially whilst pregnant, but there is a lot to be said for only consuming the media one is fed with a massive pinch of salt (also bad for you, or was that last week, oh wait, am I thinking of risk of eating eggs whilst pregnant, and so on and so forth)

Would be kind of interesting to know if babies whose mothers smoked while pregnant end up being smokers themselves. But would be hard to separate that out from the same thing being caused by being brought up by a smoking mother.

Bloody ethics, so many interesting things unknown just cos you can't give various substances to babies and/or separate them from their mothers for observational purposes. Tsk. One of the most interesting pieces of work I ever did was on HIV+ pregnant women, rather put hysteria about the occasional cig to shame

Quote: AJGO @ March 26 2012, 6:41 PM BST

Bloody ethics, so many interesting things unknown just cos you can't give various substances to babies and/or separate them from their mothers for observational purposes. Tsk.

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One of the most interesting pieces of work I ever did was on HIV+ pregnant women, rather put hysteria about the occasional cig to shame

Yikes! Can imagine.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17397172

The French are considering building a Napoleon based theme park. Probably won't be as good as Waterloo from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, but at least it's something original.

After the success of Cotter World, if you had the chance to build your own theme park based around someone famous, who would it be?

Lovely.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120236/Abu-Qatadas-delight-handed-expensive-taxpayer-funder-home.html

P.S. His lady friend is hot.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 27 2012, 11:49 AM BST

After the success of Cotter World, if you had the chance to build your own theme park based around someone famous, who would it be?

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Naked Rambler world, of course. Take a ride on the giant penis roller coaster, bounce up and down on bare-arse trampolines, before relaxing in your cell for the rest of your life.

Renegade Carpark Land.

Try the Carpark of the damned maze. If you turn left we'll blow cigarette smoke in your face.

Hungry? Uncle Renegade's Sorbut bar. Where all sorbets are guranteed 90% rohypnol.

None smokers you're not forgotten. With our special outdoor none smoking area...on the firing range!

And try our crayola sponsored firing range. Where for 5 quid you can sneak up on a pack of crayons blow them away and claim it was self defence.

It's one right turn to many on the road to hell, bring your own handcart!

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 27 2012, 11:49 AM BST

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17397172

The French are considering building a Napoleon based theme park. Probably won't be as good as Waterloo from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, but at least it's something original.

After the success of Cotter World, if you had the chance to build your own theme park based around someone famous, who would it be?

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Isambard Kingdom Brunel.

Quote: DaButt @ March 27 2012, 11:59 AM BST

Lovely.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120236/Abu-Qatadas-delight-handed-expensive-taxpayer-funder-home.html

P.S. His lady friend is hot.

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Phwoor look at that nose!

nb making sure he doesn't email anyone or text anyone is costing a million pounds a year.

I'd stick him on the same island as the nudey man and leave them to create their own civilisation.

Quote: Oldrocker @ March 27 2012, 12:05 PM BST

Isambard Kingdom Brunel.

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C'mon a university should be enough for anyman.