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Quote: Tim Walker @ October 28 2009, 3:17 PM BST

So presumably you wouldn't object if there was a system of "try before you buy", in terms of allowing a limited period to listen to a song/album before a digital expiry date? Then you can choose whether or not to purchase and own a legitimate digitised or hard copy CD? Akin to borrowing a book from a library, having to return it on time, then deciding whether you want to go to a bookshop and actually buy your own copy?

Once such a system was set up then all illegal copies would be cracked down upon.

I know that this system is in place with demo versions of software, but I don't know whether they're doing it with media files. If they did I would say fair enough, why not? It's still not really 'akin' to borrowing from a library though. I can extend my loan period for as long as I want, and then if I want to re-read a specific book I just take it out again. I never ever have to make a purchase this way.

My main gripe is that piracy has always been around, but now it's being more highlighted than ever because the big distribution companies are losing profit and being exposed as the needless, extorionate twats they are. Most of the fuss is coming from them, they're the ones losing out the most and I can't say I feel a shred of sorrow for them. You are probably already aware that many new artists are doing well for themselves now that they can be responsible for their own success without having to rely on signing to a record label. As I said I think it's a gray area, there are bad points to this undoubtedly, but it's also a good thing in many ways.

Quote: Marc P @ October 28 2009, 3:49 PM BST

'My novel' HARD EVIDENCE is book of the month at lots of libraries apparently. You do get roaylties on them too. I have no ideas how much. Just thought I'd throw it in the mix.

I don't think you'll be buying the Spanish Villa on it Marc.

Quote: bigfella @ October 28 2009, 4:55 PM BST

I don't think you'll be buying the Spanish Villa on it Marc.

Rubbish! Marc could buy Aston Villa and still have change for the limo home.

Quote: Moonstone @ October 28 2009, 4:57 PM BST

Rubbish! Marc could buy Aston Villa and still have change for the limo home.

I meant purely on the libary royalities.

Although why anyone would consider buying Aston Villa is above my head.

Quote: bigfella @ October 28 2009, 5:00 PM BST

I meant purely on the libary royalities.

Although why anyone would consider buying Aston Villa is above my head.

Well it'd be the ultimate pun for Marc P, "Yes I DO own a Villa". What price on laughter?! Anyway, some people bought Notts County, so...

Why buy Villa? Large fanbase, good manager, established top half team, plenty of scope to expand.

Why buy Nott County? Relatively large fanbase, strong 'brand' via long history, plenty of scope to develop a Project.

Both are excellent potential investments; as proven by their respective recent purchases.

Edited by Ellie for having no capitals

Coyotes kill Toronto singer in Cape Breton
Bizarre.

The circle of life can be cruel. The coyotes eat the folk singer, the badgers eat the rappers, but the yodellers remian the apex predator.

Madrigal singers, like wasps, have no known natural predators.

But I think I've covered just about everything you say, Griff. However I certainly don't agree that piracy is at a new level because of the internet. It's always been around, and prolifically so - dodgy copies of VHS videos, music recordings off the radio, ZX Spectrum games copied by covering the holes on cassettes with bits of tape, etc etc.

Nope. The only difference I see now is that fat cat labels are going under and making a huge splash while they try desperately to keep afloat. Oh well. I used to have loads of cassettes with songs taped off the top ten (and they didn't always talk over them by any means) - a shed load of singles I never needed to buy. Maybe the total of which didn't amount to terabytes, but did I go out and buy the thousand or so songs I couldn't get onto tape? Of course not.

Personally, I've been into making and recording music for about 11 years, and for the first time I feel there's actually a chance of getting somewhere so long as what I'm producing is good enough to sell. I never felt this or had any hope of ever getting anywhere while recording contracts where the only means of doing so. I won't have to charge bullshit prices for my stuff and even get to keep every penny of whatever I can make.

But I see that as more an issue of accessibility rather than availability. Your friend doesn't have it? Ok, so go to the library and 'borrow' it from there. If they don't have it in, place an order. Or just go to Jimmybob's Records and buy a copy, record it, go back and get a refund. There were ways and means, and if you wanted it bad enough and wanted it free you could do it (and plenty of people often did). I tie recording contracts in with this, because I see the labels as the ones making the loudest noise, making the thing such an issue in the first place. It's not wholly a good thing imo, as I already said, but it does have it's positive side.

:) I'm gonna talk to Lee Henman about that one!

Seriously though, I think people know that if they don't support the musicians they love in some way, they'll lose them. Simple as. I can only speak for myself and people close to me, but if the album/song is worth having we WILL pay for it in the end. Ok so not everyone thinks like this I grant you, but I'm willing to bet a surprising number do (and as I said before, iTunes and other such sites don't do too badly, so that surely says something?).

I don't have to love a particular butcher's shop to know that I will have to pay for their sausages if I want them. Are you saying that some people whose property you steal deserve to lose out financially, whilst others whom you like should be treated differently? (My item of analogy this week is sausages, btw.)

Quote: Moonstone @ October 28 2009, 8:45 PM BST

music recordings off the radio, ZX Spectrum games copied by covering the holes on cassettes with bits of tape, etc etc.

Ahh my childhood... :D

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