Keep digging, mate.
Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 7th September 2022, 12:03 PMThe Corbyn threat, he's been gone 2 years.
I know.
Thus proving my point.
I read the news today oh boy! Page 2,458
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:17 AM1. Brexit was a right-wing move. The referendum was only held in response to a perceived UKIP threat to the Tories. It is impossible to imagine Labour ever having done the same thing.
Very true. Labour would never do what the public actually want.
(And let's not forget the Conservative Prime Minister and official party policy at the time was for remain. Jeremy Corbyn and huge swathes of the traditional left, on the other hand... But let's not let facts get in the way of Chris's vision of the world.)
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:17 AM2. The abolition of foreign aid. Appalling.
Outright lie. Reduced, yes. Abolished, no.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:17 AM3. The disastrous and horrendously expensive decision to hire out the track and trace system to private finance.
It was NHSX that built the totally failed system.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:17 AM4. The expensive and unnecessary decision to restore 'old blue' passports.
That's really a marker of left/right, is it? Are you high?
Regardless: a red herring. Passports are redesigned every few years for new security devices etc. Simply changing the cover colour for the next wave of new passports being issued is a design choice, and carries no more expense or necessity than any other change.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:17 AM5. The bedroom tax.
Introduced by Labour, expanded by the Conservative government.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:17 AM6.The decision to give Trump a state visit.
Not a left/right issue. But if you want to argue it is, let's exchange it for "The decision to give Bush a state visit."
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:17 AM7. The alliance with the DUP and the billion pounds granted to them
So the left (or at least its oracle, Christopher Hallam), is up for defunding Northern Ireland. Got it.
(I don't much care for the DUP personally, but to pretend it's a unique situation and no Westminster administration of any colour has ever dealt with NI parties and needed their votes in the past is, at best, shortsighted.)
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:17 AM8. The education policies of Michael Gove.
He's a dickhead, granted. But I'm not sure his policies were especially, intrinsically right wing. They certainly didn't do what I or anyone I know wanted.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:17 AM9. ... threats to the licence fee.
Every Government does battle with the BBC over its funding. You're just catastrophising because it's the big bad Tories doing so recently, not cuddly warm Labour.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:17 AMPlans to restore imperial measures.
Not going to pretend this is an important policy - but again, it's not really a right/left issue, is it? It's hardly defined by fundamental views on society or the economy.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:17 AM10. The abolition of the British Film Council.
Its responsibilities were transferred to the BFI, not lost. QUANGOs and semi-QUANGOs are forever having their remits changed, redeployed, and being merged and created. One could easily say the creation of the body in 2000 was the mistake. And again, it's hardly a left/right issue.
(UK Film Council, not British, if anyone wants to look this up.)
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:17 AM11. The decision to ignore the Leverson Report on press reform.
Misrepresentation at best. The recommendations of the second part of the report were not implemented as they would have harmed press freedoms. Or are you supporting fascism? They were considered, not ignored; and the report as a whole was certainly not ignored.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:17 AM12. Widespread devastating austerity cuts leading to widespread library closures etc
Necessary thanks to Labour's catastrophic - but all too inevitable - mismanagement of the economy. Better to shut some additional services than hospitals.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:56 AMI've never heard anyone attack someone as 'pc' or 'woke' when they weren't referring to someone on the left.
You missed the discussions about Penny Mordaunt just five weeks ago then!
?
I see right now those mentally challenged folk of a certain leaning are spraying the houses of parliament area with white paint, wanting a plant-based future.
Shame I can't think of a suitable name for them.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 11:17 AMRight wing measures carried out by this administration?
In any case, only about two or three of your many claims are relevant to the last administration - Boris Johnson's.
Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 7th September 2022, 12:14 PMI see right now those mentally challenged folk of a certain leaning are spraying the houses of parliament area with white paint, wanting a plant-based future.
Shame I can't think of a suitable name for them.
You should be fair though Stephen: they're definitely loonies, but they're not necessarily all on the left.
Quote: Aaron @ 7th September 2022, 12:12 PMVery true. Labour would never do what the public actually want.
(And let's not forget the Conservative Prime Minister and official party policy at the time was for remain. Jeremy Corbyn and huge swathes of the traditional left, on the other hand... But let's not let facts get in the way of Chris's vision of the world.)
Outright lie. Reduced, yes. Abolished, no.
It was NHSX that built the totally failed system.
That's really a marker of left/right, is it? Are you high?
Regardless: a red herring. Passports are redesigned every few years for new security devices etc. Simply changing the cover colour for the next wave of new passports being issued is a design choice, and carries no more expense or necessity than any other change.
Introduced by Labour, expanded by the Conservative government.
Not a left/right issue. But if you want to argue it is, let's exchange it for "The decision to give Bush a state visit."
So the left (or at least its oracle, Christopher Hallam), is up for defunding Northern Ireland. Got it.
(I don't much care for the DUP personally, but to pretend it's a unique situation and no Westminster administration of any colour has ever dealt with NI parties and needed their votes in the past is, at best, shortsighted.)
He's a dickhead, granted. But I'm not sure his policies were especially, intrinsically right wing. They certainly didn't do what I or anyone I know wanted.
Every Government does battle with the BBC over its funding. You're just catastrophising because it's the big bad Tories doing so recently, not cuddly warm Labour.
Not going to pretend this is an important policy - but again, it's not really a right/left issue, is it? It's hardly defined by fundamental views on society or the economy.
Its responsibilities were transferred to the BFI, not lost. QUANGOs and semi-QUANGOs are forever having their remits changed, redeployed, and being merged and created. One could easily say the creation of the body in 2000 was the mistake. And again, it's hardly a left/right issue.
(UK Film Council, not British, if anyone wants to look this up.)
Misrepresentation at best. The recommendations of the second part of the report were not implemented as they would have harmed press freedoms. Or are you supporting fascism? They were considered, not ignored; and the report as a whole was certainly not ignored.
Necessary thanks to Labour's catastrophic - but all too inevitable - mismanagement of the economy. Better to shut some additional services than hospitals.
You missed the discussions about Penny Mordaunt just five weeks ago then!
Very unclear if 'the administration' refers to the Johnson government or the Tories since 2010? ?
Government policies were famously traditionalist and Conservative. Look it up!
The DUP are famously v right wing? Look thus up.
Pro Trump, anti BBC, anti foreign aid? All right wing positions
Patel policies right wing.
Film industry has suffered badly under Tories.
Austerity cuts defended in a specifically Tory way! Colours shown.
Quote: Chris Hallam @ 7th September 2022, 12:43 PMFilm industry has suffered badly under Tories.
Abject lie. It's massively booming. We are now the world's production powerhouse. New studios and stages are springing up at a rate of knots in an attempt to keep up with demand.
Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 7th September 2022, 12:01 PMSo, 2 years ago at least then.
May 2022 was not two years ago.
Quote: Aaron @ 7th September 2022, 12:46 PMAbject lie. It's massively booming. We are now the world's production powerhouse. New studios and stages are springing up at a rate of knots in an attempt to keep up with demand.
This is partially true.
The industry side is booming because of the massive proliferation in production, thanks to the (US) streamers.
And we're very good at it.
It's pretty well all US stuff though.
British films, on the other hand, are incredibly hard to get off the ground, funding negligible, distribution near impossible.
British film used to be supported far more.
But we have a govt. who don't really believe in the arts - it's one of the more depressing things about them, to be honest.
40% of schools have no library budget - 1 in 8 have no access to library books whatsoever rising to 1 in 4 in underprivileged areas.
Arts degrees being defunded.
It's pretty bleak.
Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 7th September 2022, 12:01 PMSo, 2 years ago at least then.
He has sort of got you here, Stephen. You used the term 'loony left' in May.
But that is the only time it's been used in anger anywhere on these forums since 2017, so the underlying argument that it's a common slander bandied around is clearly nonsense.
I know loosely of one or two bods working in the industry at functionary level and although I despise the sort of rubbish they are working on (superhero guff) they and their colleagues are endlessly busy on projects. I THINK I'm right in saying that Brexit has expanded our opportunities and tax breaks have been handed out to more countries (the USA already make great use of them) to use our magnificent film studios, and the law I THINK has been made easier for councils to grant location filming licences. It has been mentioned as a boom again industry here, due to Brexit.
Quote: Aaron @ 7th September 2022, 1:01 PMthe underlying argument that it's a common slander bandied around is clearly nonsense.
I'll take that on the chin.
Quite funny that the person who claimed it wasn't used much was the one person who did.
I think that's called 'cognitive dissonance'.
Quote: Lazzard @ 7th September 2022, 12:58 PMThis is partially true.
The industry side is booming because of the massive proliferation in production, thanks to the (US) streamers.
And we're very good at it.
It's pretty well all US stuff though.
British films, on the other hand, are incredibly hard to get off the ground, funding negligible, distribution near impossible.
British film used to be supported far more.
You do have to go way back to the 70s for a marked change though, with quotas forcing productions, and less health and safety and other targets, restrictions and bureaucracy increasing production costs. And whilst some of that red tape could be slimmed down I'm sure, I doubt many people would support it going right back. The unions certainly wouldn't.
Quote: Lazzard @ 7th September 2022, 12:58 PMArts degrees being defunded.
It's pretty bleak.
I'd say that's very positive. The arts really don't suit being academised. (Yes that's now a word.) The university system is a money racket that entraps those who aren't well-off and aren't going to become well-off, and it shouldn't be encouraged. Apprenticeships and other straight-into-employment strategies are by far preferable.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 7th September 2022, 1:06 PMI know loosely of one or two bods working in the industry at functionary level and although I despise the sort of rubbish they are working on (superhero guff) they and their colleagues are endlessly busy on projects. I THINK I'm right in saying that Brexit has expanded our opportunities and tax breaks have been handed out to more countries (the USA already make great use of them) to use our magnificent film studios, and the law I THINK has been made easier for councils to grant location filming licences. It has been mentioned as a boom again industry here, due to Brexit.
The boom really began under George Osborne about a decade ago, long before Brexit, so that's not got much to do with it at all.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 7th September 2022, 1:06 PMI know loosely of one or two bods working in the industry at functionary level and although I despise the sort of rubbish they are working on (superhero guff) they and their colleagues are endlessly busy on projects. I THINK I'm right in saying that Brexit has expanded our opportunities and tax breaks have been handed out to more countries (the USA already make great use of them) to use our magnificent film studios, and the law I THINK has been made easier for councils to grant location filming licences. It has been mentioned as a boom again industry here, due to Brexit.
Brexit hasn't changed much, in truth.
A lot of the inter-country working agreements were through The Council of Europe, not the EU.
UK filming in Europe has become a lot harder- much like musicians touring etc etc.
Lots of carnets to fill out, visas etc etc.
Actors suffering a bit as many jobs are advertised as "Eu passport holders only" as this makes life easier for the producers.
No - by the far the biggest impact has been that of the streamers and the insatiable need for content.
Not sure it can be claimed as a Brexit Bonus.
Not a Brexit casualty though, either.
Well my favourite studios Bray, being a Hammer Film fan is expanding massively with £150m of investment. I've never been in but I pass it a lot, and it's got full time security guards at the entrance and looks very much in use.
20 years or so ago ie. under a Labour govt. it was condemned to be demolished to make way for a housing estate. Now, a few old houses are to be demolished to build more studios. Under the Tories it's been reborn, I just hope it can produce films with some of the atmospheric magic it did under Hammer. And I hope it opens a public Hammer Film museum or tour, but I expect fans would need to campaign for that.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 7th September 2022, 2:05 PMWell my favourite studios Bray, being a Hammer Film fan is expanding massively with £150m of investment. I've never been in but I pass it a lot, and it's got full time security guards at the entrance and looks very much in use.
20 years or so ago ie. under a Labour govt. it was condemned to be demolished to make way for a housing estate. Now, a few old houses are to be demolished to build more studios. Under the Tories it's been reborn, I just hope it can produce films with some of the atmospheric magic it did under Hammer. And I hope it opens a public Hammer Film museum or tour, but I expect fans would need to campaign for that.
No - under the American streaming revolution, it has been re-born.
Nothing to do with politics.
Quote: Aaron @ 7th September 2022, 1:07 PMYou do have to go way back to the 70s for a marked change though, with quotas forcing productions, and less health and safety and other targets, restrictions and bureaucracy increasing production costs. And whilst some of that red tape could be slimmed down I'm sure, I doubt many people would support it going right back. The unions certainly wouldn't.
It's not an either or situation.
You don't have to go back to restrictive working practices to actively fund a parochial British film industry.
Breaking the strangle-hold on distribution would be a start.