Quote: Renegade Carpark @ 29th April 2014, 10:51 PM BSTOn the pavement, there is a certain degree of freedom and self determination.
Not if I come up behind you with a mallet.
I read the news today oh boy! Page 1,542
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ 29th April 2014, 10:39 PM BSTunpredictable humans, some stood inches away from certain death, totally unaware of the precarious nature of their surroundings.
But they aren't unaware, are they? It isn't that you are privy to information the rest of us are blind to, it is that they have chosen to take a risk you wish to avoid. As Matt says, risk is everywhere. We decide for ourselves how much risk we will voluntarily expose ourselves to.
I was nearly run over last year. It was entirely my fault (jay walking and day dreaming = bad combination) and I would certainly have died if the van doing 40mph + had not beeped me. I now refuse to jay walk, even when completely safe to do so. It is a risk I no longer choose to take.
If you won't go to the GP, I would definitely recommend getting a book on mindfulness (or indeed just googling it) and learn some techniques for when panic threatens to engulf you.
Quote: sootyj @ 29th April 2014, 10:48 PM BSTI wouldn't worry about the GP, your medical secrets are very safe and unless you've actually wondered into the criminal justice system you're pretty safe.
Quote: Jennie @ 29th April 2014, 10:50 PM BSTEven then, it is bloody difficult to get your hands on medical notes/social services reports etc. I know, I have tried often enough.
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2013/12/03/depressed-you-may-not-be-able-to-enter-the-us/
In the UK, a police record would not be made of a hospital admittance after a psychotic episode. It would only appear on your record if you committed a crime and were detained under the MHA as a result.
Quote: Jennie @ 29th April 2014, 10:54 PM BSTWe decide for ourselves how much risk we will voluntarily expose ourselves to.
On that I agree with you 100%. We often do things against our better natures, blind ourselves to the risks and routinely ignore warning signs of danger. This is through socialisation and learned behaviours.
Because other people have 'rationlised' potentially highly dangerous situations, I shouldn't be criticised or mocked for not feeling the same way. 'If all your friends jumped off a cliff...', etc.
If instead of talking about me and the very bad experiences I've had on public transport and were instead talking about a battered woman who was afraid of dating men again - would the conversation be any different? I suspect it would.
That's also the reason the US is so plagued with gun massacres, far more so than lax gun laws. Is looking for help with mental health identifies you as a potential danger, rather than someone seeking help.
Awful.
Unless of course you're rich enough to go properly private.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ 29th April 2014, 10:59 PM BSTO
If instead of talking about me and the very bad experiences I've had on public transport and were instead talking about a battered woman who was afraid of dating men again - would the conversation be any different? I suspect it would.
You started off being quite disparaging about what phobias are and then switched to talking about what seem to be a serious and treatable phobia.
So certainly my reactions changed.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ 29th April 2014, 10:59 PM BSTBecause other people have 'rationlised' potentially highly dangerous situations, I shouldn't be criticised or mocked for not feeling the same way. 'If all your friends jumped off a cliff...', etc.
When have you been criticised or mocked? 
People rationalise by examining the probability of the risk they fear being materialised. If they perceive the risk of harm to be greater than the potential benefit, they will not do it.
I would not run back into a burning building to save my favourite perfume. The risk of harm is greater than the potential benefit.
It only becomes a phobia where the potential benefit substantially outweighs the risk of harm to such an extent that it stops you living the life you wish to live.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ 29th April 2014, 10:59 PM BSTIf instead of talking about me and the very bad experiences I've had on public transport and were instead talking about a battered woman who was afraid of dating men again - would the conversation be any different? I suspect it would.
I don't get that.
Many women do have phobias of men after coming out of abusive situations. They need to decide if the potential benefit of curing the phobia (finding a healthy relationship) outweighs the potential risk of starting a relationship (a repeat of the abusive pattern - actually statistically quite likely).
Quote: Jennie @ 29th April 2014, 10:58 PM BSTIn the UK, a police record would not be made of a hospital admittance after a psychotic episode. It would only appear on your record if you committed a crime and were detained under the MHA as a result.
There have been cases of Enhanced DBS / CRB checks being used to look at medical records. Similarly, anything to do with firearms also requires a letter from your doctor and the Chief Constable can obtain medical information if required. And let's not even get into the lengths some employers go to in order to screen potential employees.
Just because it isn't widespread, or even the norm, doesn't mean it never happens.
Enhanced CRBs, looking at medical records, that seriously I've never heard of.
Quote: Jennie @ 29th April 2014, 11:08 PM BSTI don't get that.
Many women do have phobias of men after coming out of abusive situations. They need to decide if the potential benefit of curing the phobia (finding a healthy relationship) outweighs the potential risk of starting a relationship (a repeat of the abusive pattern - actually statistically quite likely).
I am attempting to draw parallels between things that make you uncomfortable / extremely anxious / afraid with 'phobias'.
'Many women do have phobias of men after coming out of abusive situations' - their fears may be irrational, but the motivations behind them are not. The other difference is that we have biological compunctions to form bonds with members of the opposite sex, there is no natural compunction for us to crush each in tiny rooms and risk death to get the 5.15 to Epsom.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27214673
This is f**king disgraceful. There is no "dilemma" about knowing whether your son has been sexually molested or not. However horrendous it is, you need to know so you can get him proper help.
Quote: sootyj @ 29th April 2014, 11:16 PM BSTEnhanced CRBs, looking at medical records, that seriously I've never heard of.
http://mentalhealthcop.wordpress.com/2012/07/15/section-136-and-crb-checks/
'It should also be borne in mind that police officers disclosure other medical information and other non-conviction based information during enhanced checks'
It is extremely rare, but it does happen.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ 29th April 2014, 11:19 PM BSTI am attempting to draw parallels between things that make you uncomfortable / extremely anxious / afraid with 'phobias'.
But you yourself used the word phobia to describe your fear of public transport. A phobia is by its very nature irrational (fear disproportionate to risk). So you on some level must accept it isn't a rational fear.
Lots of things make me uncomfortable. I don't particularly like the underground either. I manage that risk by moving slowly and positioning myself safely on the platform. There is still a risk, but I have minimised it.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ 29th April 2014, 11:26 PM BSThttp://mentalhealthcop.wordpress.com/2012/07/15/section-136-and-crb-checks/
'It should also be borne in mind that police officers disclosure other medical information and other non-conviction based information during enhanced checks'
It is extremely rare, but it does happen.
But that example only involves information already within the possession of the police. The example he uses is "Specifically, someone's fitness to drive may be affected by certain medical conditions and where concerns exist, for example following the policing of traffic collision, officers often inform the DVLA of information found during investigations."
Information on your medical records themselves aren't on the Police National Computer and the police have no access to them without applying to the court.
I have had plenty of cases where medical reports are plainly relevant (sex crimes against children where a report has been made at a later stage, for example) yet I have had to really fight to get the judge to force the doctor to disclose the information to me.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ 29th April 2014, 11:26 PM BSThttp://mentalhealthcop.wordpress.com/2012/07/15/section-136-and-crb-checks/
'It should also be borne in mind that police officers disclosure other medical information and other non-conviction based information during enhanced checks'
It is extremely rare, but it does happen.
Details of mental health detention....under section 136 of the mental health act.
bascially that's if you're being assessed in a place of safety, against your will. If you comply it's irrelevant.
If you're under section 136 it's an alternative to being arrested usually.
I do wonder if this is yet another wind up.
Quote: Jennie @ 29th April 2014, 11:24 PM BSThttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27214673
This is f**king disgraceful. There is no "dilemma" about knowing whether your son has been sexually molested or not. However horrendous it is, you need to know so you can get him proper help.
'Vahey, a US citizen, killed himself two days after investigators filed a warrant to search a computer drive belonging to him. It contained pornographic images of boys aged from 10 to 14, who appeared to be drugged and unconscious, the FBI said.'
This is an extremely tricky and delicate situation, it could be the case that both the victim and their families do not want to have a terrible episode of their lives dragged up all over again. They may have dealt with repercussions, healed and moved on and that an official admittance might somehow undo the process. Perhaps even privacy may play a part, they don't want their sons to be labelled and stigmatised as victims by the wider, unthinking, insensitive community.
Or conversely, they could be evil monsters who care more about their own social standing or abilities as parents to admit these things happened.