I read the news today oh boy! Page 1,077

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 26 2012, 11:37 PM GMT

Just because it is self aware, i.e. it realises that it's just a bunch of computer chips soldered together by humans in a box, doesn't mean it wants to destroy the world.

The big question would be 'Why do you want to obliterate mankind and destroy civilisation?'

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Unfortunately it is you that is projecting human thought onto a robot/AI- computer.

The actions don't go like that and no emotional thought is involved, just a badly phrased order from the controlling human.

e.g. Command 5678: Minimise pain in human beings.

Machine: Makes table of pain suffered versus age of human, Sees that humans of negative age and those over 110 years old have no pain.
Machine: studies reports on why humans over 110 feel no pain.
Interim conclusion. Humans over 110 years old feel no pain because they are dead.
Secondary conclusion, to minimise pain in all humans it is best that they are dead.

Step XXX
Investigate, how to make humans dead.
Conclusion humans are made dead by poisons in the water supply
Action: release poisons into water supply.
Monitor: Count Number of humans not dead
While count not zero go to XXX

Report: Command 5678 accomplished.

Quote: billwill @ November 27 2012, 12:28 AM GMT

Unfortunately it is you that is projecting human thought onto a robot/AI- computer.

The actions don't go like that and no emotional thought is involved, just a badly phrased order from the controlling human.

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No, you are describing a computer programme that mimicks reasoning and reacts in a literal fashion to an order given to it by a human, I'm discussing a fully functional, self aware, high reasoning AI.

Even if you gave it the most basic level of self preservation, it would know that killing humans is a one way trip to a silicon grave.

On a completely different note: Order 5678 is completely flawed. Poisoning the water supply will not result in the death of all humans. Aside from the logistics, there will always be those who survive or are immune. And they have guns, so it's goodbye Dell Brainbox 9000.

No if you want to wipe out mankind for good, you'd have to boil away the oceans and remove the atmosphere completely so nothing can grow, ever.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 27 2012, 12:45 AM GMT

No, you are describing a computer programme that mimicks reasoning and reacts in a literal fashion to an order given to it by a human, I'm discussing a fully functional, self aware, high reasoning AI.

Even if you gave it the most basic level of self preservation, it would know that killing humans is a one way trip to a silicon grave.

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The problem is that the machine I describe could exist 50 to 100 years before a fully functional, self aware, high reasoning AI and be in use and ready to accept stupid orders. Progress in AI has been remarkably slow compared to computer technology, I was active on AI topics back in 1962-64 and relatively little has actually been achieved since then.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ November 27 2012, 12:45 AM GMT

On a completely different note: Order 5678 is completely flawed. Poisoning the water supply will not result in the death of all humans. Aside from the logistics, there will always be those who survive or are immune. And they have guns, so it's goodbye Dell Brainbox 9000.

No if you want to wipe out mankind for good, you'd have to boil away the oceans and remove the atmosphere completely so nothing can grow, ever.

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Huh.. you want the $5000 dollar plot included in a 5-minute example script?

Quote: Harridan @ November 26 2012, 10:26 PM GMT

Can we change the subject? I've pictured more penises this evening than my tolerance allows. Now, orchids...

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Check out the etymology of the word orchid.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=orchid&allowed_in_frame=0

A new set of university's to be created, more places where no one can afford to go. Bring back Polytechnics, they were so seventies and full of long haired drop outs who smoked weed all day and wore Pink Floyd Tshirts, those were the days.

A burglar hid in a wardrobe for thirteen hours after being disturbed mid rob. The Narnia Police arrested him.

Quote: Pingl @ November 27 2012, 5:56 PM GMT

A burglar hid in a wardrobe for thirteen hours after being disturbed mid rob. The Narnia Police arrested him.

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Hanging's too good for him

Cyril Smith !

Too many people turn blind eyes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20498356 Some rather good news for a change.

Quote: zooo @ November 28 2012, 12:11 AM GMT

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20498356 Some rather good news for a change.

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So this bastion of learning which counts Oxbridge among its stars is behind South Korea, Finland and Singapore ffs ?

Way above loads of others! Glass half full, Oldrocker!

Quote: zooo @ November 28 2012, 1:06 AM GMT

Way above loads of others! Glass half full, Oldrocker!

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Yeah. Right.

Eat shit Slovakia.

(OR has man flu, is pissed and in a bad mood btw)

Quote: Oldrocker @ November 28 2012, 1:03 AM GMT

So this bastion of learning which counts Oxbridge among its stars is behind South Korea, Finland and Singapore ffs ?

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Finland has incredible teaching standards that are miles above ours. In Finland teaching is a very difficult profession to get into - only the really talented and really dedicated can be teachers. Compare that to our culture of "well I don't know what else to do with my life so I guess I'll be a teacher".

Hong Kong treats teachers like superstars. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20085558

We don't have a culture that truly values education as a worthy pursuit of itself unlike the countries above us in the list. The first question people ask me when they find out I'm doing a degree is 'why?'. I'm amazed we're as high on the list as we are, I'm betting that Oxbridge and the select elite schools are pulling up our average because we are not a comparatively well-educated nation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/27/germany-bestiality-ban

So erm hop on an easy jet quick smart if you've always wanted to try that.

Quote: sootyj @ November 28 2012, 8:42 AM GMT

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/27/germany-bestiality-ban

So erm hop on an easy jet quick smart if you've always wanted to try that.

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"We are going to take legal action to fight this," said Michael Kiok, chairman of the pressure group Zoophile Engagement for Tolerance and Information (Zeta), which has about 100 members. "Central to the beliefs of zoophiles is that we don't do anything that the animal doesn't want. We do not treat them cruelly. An animal is quite capable of showing precisely what it wants and does not want. When I look at my dog I know immediately what it wants. Animals are much easier to understand than women," he said.

Well give a dog a bone as the song says.

Will this affect the Zooophiles?