On what I saw, Obama preferable to McCain. And, yes let's hope Obama does some good things. But what and good for who?
For me, he has little time to impress. Come Jan 20 there is no lengthy honeymoon period. About 3 months and then get the f**k on with your job, Obama, same as us ordinary folks have to. The pays good and he'll eat well, that's for sure.
Quote: Frankie Rage @ November 5 2008, 12:21 PM GMTFor me, he has little time to impress. Come Jan 20 there is no lengthy honeymoon period. About 3 months and then get the f**k on with your job, Obama, same as us ordinary folks have to. The pays good and he'll eat well, that's for sure.
There will be at least 2 years for him to claim that his lack of progress is due to the enormous burden dumped on him by the Bush administration. The current congress is still saying the same thing years after promising to be the hardest-working, change-enabling group of representatives in history. You think Bush's approval ratings are low, the numbers for the current congress are much worse.
The pay is only $400,000 per year; peanuts compared to what he could make on the outside. Bill Clinton has made $52 million in speaking fees since he left office.
I'd really like to see Obama win. Mostly because of the twats I've seen on the internet the last few months, largely right wing religious nutjobs, questioning whether Obama is Muslim, making a big fuss that his middle name is Hussain, and even saying that he is probably the antichrist (yes, seriously!) and evil incarnate who is in favour of aborting as many children as possible and will immediately declare martial law and take all their guns away.
I don't know why they don't just tell the truth and say they don't like him because he's black.
So I'd like to see him win, just to piss off all those idiots.
Quote: DaButt @ November 5 2008, 12:17 PM GMT4-star general
35 years in uniform
Wounded in combat
Vietnam
Gulf War
Secretary of StateI kinda doubt he'd be so afraid of an assassin's bullet that he'd shy away from serving as president. I'd assume it all comes down to his dislike for politics.
Plus Colin Powell would never be cable to dodge the inevitable "Why do you pronounce your name in such a stupid f**king way" question.
Quote: DaButt @ November 5 2008, 12:30 PM GMTThere will be at least 2 years for him to claim that his lack of progress is due to the enormous burden dumped on him by the Bush administration.
Our lot are still blaming the previous administrations, 11 and a half years on.
Quote: Aaron @ November 5 2008, 12:10 PM GMT
Give it a year.
At best. I don't think non-Americans grasp just how little the country changes with the election of a Democrat/Republican president. We make little course corrections every few years: a little to the left, then a little to the right. Obama can not - and will not - enact the kind of mythical change that is being dreamed of.
The press has told everyone that America used to be universally loved and respected, when in fact it's a load of crap. The rest of the world has been bitching and moaning since the nation was born - even more so once the whole "superpower" thing came about. It'll be fun to watch the world realize this as soon as Obama's superficial shine begins to wear off.
As far as I'm concerned Obama will be labeled as "all talk, no action" until he actually produces some action.
Quote: Afinkawan @ November 5 2008, 12:31 PM GMTis in favour of aborting as many children as possible
So can he be in charge of the north of England please?
Quote: DaButt @ November 5 2008, 12:40 PM GMTAt best. I don't think non-Americans grasp just how little the country changes with the election of a Democrat/Republican president. We make little course corrections every few years: a little to the left, then a little to the right. Obama can not - and will not - enact the kind of mythical change that is being dreamed of.
The press has told everyone that America used to be universally loved and respected, when in fact it's a load of crap. The rest of the world has been bitching and moaning since the nation was born - even more so once the whole "superpower" thing came about. It'll be fun to watch the world realize this as soon as Obama's superficial shine begins to wear off.
As far as I'm concerned Obama will be labeled as "all talk, no action" until he actually produces some action.
I love it when you neo-cons get grumpy.
Quote: DaButt @ November 5 2008, 12:40 PM GMTAt best. I don't think non-Americans grasp just how little the country changes with the election of a Democrat/Republican president. We make little course corrections every few years: a little to the left, then a little to the right. Obama can not - and will not - enact the kind of mythical change that is being dreamed of.
The press has told everyone that America used to be universally loved and respected, when in fact it's a load of crap. The rest of the world has been bitching and moaning since the nation was born - even more so once the whole "superpower" thing came about. It'll be fun to watch the world realize this as soon as Obama's superficial shine begins to wear off.
As far as I'm concerned Obama will be labeled as "all talk, no action" until he actually produces some action.
Totally agree. 
Quote: Afinkawan @ November 5 2008, 12:31 PM GMTI'd really like to see Obama win. Mostly because of the twats I've seen on the internet the last few months, largely right wing religious nutjobs, questioning whether Obama is Muslim, making a big fuss that his middle name is Hussain, and even saying that he is probably the antichrist (yes, seriously!) and evil incarnate who is in favour of aborting as many children as possible and will immediately declare martial law and take all their guns away.
I don't know why they don't just tell the truth and say they don't like him because he's white.
So I'd like to see him win, just to piss off all those idiots.
If you think that you've just described the average McCain supporter, then you're pointing your microscope in only one direction. The media has tried to keep it quiet, but for every person you described there's a a lefty loon who thinks Republicans want to rape minorities, steal their money and then force them to have the baby at gunpoint. People fall on all sides of the spectrum and I think it was illustrated well by the fact that the election was so close: 52% - 48%.
Quote: Afinkawan @ November 5 2008, 12:31 PM GMTI don't know why they don't just tell the truth and say they don't like him because he's black.
So I'd like to see him win, just to piss off all those idiots.
It's very easy to play the race card. But the card can be played by the other team, too, so why don't people of color just tell the truth and say they don't like McCain because he's black.
I'd like to have seen him win, just to piss off all those idiots.
Quote: DaButt @ November 5 2008, 12:40 PM GMTAt best. I don't think non-Americans grasp just how little the country changes with the election of a Democrat/Republican president. We make little course corrections every few years: a little to the left, then a little to the right. Obama can not - and will not - enact the kind of mythical change that is being dreamed of.
The press has told everyone that America used to be universally loved and respected, when in fact it's a load of crap. The rest of the world has been bitching and moaning since the nation was born - even more so once the whole "superpower" thing came about. It'll be fun to watch the world realize this as soon as Obama's superficial shine begins to wear off.
As far as I'm concerned Obama will be labeled as "all talk, no action" until he actually produces some action.
God, I almost posted a big ass counter argument to this. What was I thinking? I'm quitting now.
Quote: chipolata @ November 5 2008, 12:42 PM GMTI love it when you neo-cons get grumpy.
I'd like to make a couple of points:
1) I'm not a neo-con. But it's fun to label people. It makes it easier to demonize/marginalize them.
2) I was seriously considering voting for Obama a few months ago, but he utterly failed to convince me that he had any kind of workable plan lined up. I like to see what I'm buying before I lay down my money.
3) I'm about 98% unconcerned about the results of the election. I have a few lingering doubts, but I'm fairly certain that life as I know it will go on. As I said, I don't expect much change at all.
Quote: DaButt @ November 5 2008, 12:54 PM GMTI'm not a neo-con. But it's fun to label people. It makes it easier to demonize/marginalize them.
It is indeed, as McCain and Palin did so often during the campaign.
Also, you're right, very little will change. Save for perception. And over in Britain and the rest of Europe, Obama will go down infinitely better than George Bush.
Quote: chipolata @ November 5 2008, 12:58 PM GMTAnd over in Britain and the rest of Europe, Obama will go down infinitely better than George Bush.
It'd take Peter Sutcliffe Seefa- Peter Sutcliffe to go down any worse.
Quote: DaButt @ November 5 2008, 12:50 PM GMTIf you think that you've just described the average McCain supporter, then you're pointing your microscope in only one direction.
I don't think that at all. I know the people I mentioned are definitely in the minority but they're very loud and almost unbelievably stupid. Certainly louder than the loony left.
So, I'll stand by my point which was that I'd like Obama to win purely to piss those idiots off.