What are you listening to now? Page 986

Quote: Chappers @ July 22 2013, 9:32 PM BST

Why? What have they done to you?

Actually white punks was way pre-punk and re-released to cash in using the title and is not at all punk.

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I wasn't criticising the Tubes, Chappers, or the NME. Am keen on the NME which I bought for 20 years. It was just the association I had. Accept what you say about them. You have more knowledge of them than me. I feel that they were punk stylistically. Musically, it's more the Stooges and the New York Dolls.

Funny that you should mention Big Star because, genuinely, I was going to post them next. Love the following one which is definitely a classic. I really wanted to see them at Rhythm Festival (2009?) but it didn't happen, and then Alex Chilton died. To my mind, their historical importance is without question.

One point is they are a key link between the Beatles/the Byrds and a huge amount of indie. Teenage Fanclub, for example. Last year's spin off project, Lightships, had its critics but I didn't think it was bad.

Big Star - The Ballad of El Goodo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn1t6l7UUPc

Lightships - Sweetness In Her Spark - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es4Fjw8SxjY

Quote: Horseradish @ July 22 2013, 9:50 PM BST

Funny that you should mention Big Star because, genuinely, I was going to post them next. Love the following one which is definitely a classic. I really wanted to see them at Rhythm Festival (2009?) but it didn't happen, and then Alex Chilton died. To my mind, their historical importance is without question.

One point is they are a key link between the Beatles/the Byrds and a huge amount of indie. Teenage Fanclub, for example. Last year's spin off project, Lightships, had its critics but I didn't think it was bad.

Big Star - The Ballad of El Goodo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn1t6l7UUPc

Lightships - Sweetness In Her Spark - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es4Fjw8SxjY

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I'm sorry. I just don't get it though I loved the Box Tops.

Quote: Chappers @ July 22 2013, 9:32 PM BST

Big Star which apparently has one of the best pop songs ever recorded on it.I don't seem to have heard it yet.

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Quote: Horseradish @ July 22 2013, 9:50 PM BST

Funny that you should mention Big Star because, genuinely, I was going to post them next. Love the following one which is definitely a classic. I really wanted to see them at Rhythm Festival (2009?) but it didn't happen, and then Alex Chilton died. To my mind, their historical importance is without question.

One point is they are a key link between the Beatles/the Byrds and a huge amount of indie. Teenage Fanclub, for example. Last year's spin off project, Lightships, had its critics but I didn't think it was bad.

Big Star - The Ballad of El Goodo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn1t6l7UUPc

Lightships - Sweetness In Her Spark - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es4Fjw8SxjY

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I got interested in them after I heard Alex Chilton on the Ray Davies cover versions album, "See My Friends". He performs with the 88 on "Till the End of the Day", which is one of my favourite tracks on the album.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/reviews/nqj9

Earlier, Big Star covered the song too. Live footage on YouTube.

Horseradish, do you know the Volebeats? You might like them. A friend put a couple of tracks on a mixtape for me this year. Can't find those tracks on YouTube, but here's one that is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkcnwNdw3tU

Quote: Chappers @ July 22 2013, 10:14 PM BST

I'm sorry. I just don't get it though I loved the Box Tops.

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That's fair. On the music, obviously taste varies. Re history, it is possible to see how the tree grew from 60s garage to late 70s punk, even with the predominance of prog rock and other genres in between. Indie in the 80s arguably emerges out of punk via new wave but quite a bit of it, for want of a better word, is "janglier".

I think the question was whether, after 15 years, that was simply resurrected from the 60s. The answer is probably no. There had been Big Star but they were largely overlooked for not "being" 1971-1974. That's my take on it anyway. By the 1990s, the market was different. Blur, Suede etc could wear far earlier influences on their sleeve. All good but the links were less important than the chosen styles. "Rock" was a la carte.

Quote: Horseradish @ July 22 2013, 10:35 PM BST

That's fair. On the music, obviously taste varies. Re history, it is possible to see how the tree grew from 60s garage to late 70s punk, even with the predominance of prog rock and other genres in between. Indie in the 80s arguably emerges out of punk via new wave but quite a bit of it, for want of a better word, is "janglier".

I think the question was whether, after 15 years, that was simply resurrected from the 60s. The answer is probably no. There had been Big Star but they were largely overlooked for not "being" 1971-1974. That's my take on it anyway. By the 1990s, the market was different. Blur, Suede etc could wear far earlier influences on their sleeve. All good but the links were less important than the chosen styles. "Rock" was a la carte.

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Maybe I should give it another chance.

Quote: Chappers @ July 22 2013, 10:49 PM BST

Maybe I should give it another chance.

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If you're still not keen, we could do a swap.

Quote: George Kaplan @ July 22 2013, 10:33 PM BST

I got interested in them after I heard Alex Chilton on the Ray Davies cover versions album, "See My Friends". He performs with the 88 on "Till the End of the Day", which is one of my favourite tracks on the album.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/reviews/nqj9

Earlier, Big Star covered the song too. Live footage on YouTube.

Horseradish, do you know the Volebeats? You might like them. A friend put a couple of tracks on a mixtape for me this year. Can't find those tracks on YouTube, but here's one that is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkcnwNdw3tU

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I hadn't heard that one or the Volebeats. Thanks George. The latter remind me a little of early REM and I would choose their first, Murmur, ahead of all their others. Also enjoyed the Hot Chip clips from Latitude.

Here's a light curiosity for the winding down -

James Lerouge - Beyond The Blue Ridges

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKmtlQH6XzU

i love this one

Quote: george roper @ July 23 2013, 10:41 AM BST

i love this one

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Too many painful memories of not pulling at discos.

10cc was such an amazing band. Great musicians with their tongues firmly in cheek. Marvelous songwriters, especially Gouldman who wrote many classic singles before his time with cc. After it he had hits with Andrew Gold as Wax (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0g5gKp2BHg) Godley & Cream were also good.

Endless source of talent. Almost like the Beatles...but underrrated.

Quote: Gordon Bennett @ July 23 2013, 8:55 PM BST

10cc was such an amazing band. Great musicians with their tongues firmly in cheek. Marvelous songwriters, especially Gouldman who wrote many classic singles before his time with cc. After it he had hits with Andrew Gold as Wax (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0g5gKp2BHg) Godley & Cream were also good.

Endless source of talent. Almost like the Beatles...but underrrated.

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They were/are one of my favourite mid 70s bands, Gordon. I always particularly liked "I'm Mandy Fly Me" which disappeared from my life for many years and has flown back with additional meaning since 2010.

Unfortunately I have found that this has a bit of unfortunate distortion on it but that's the papers for you. The advert for betting just beforehand was crystal clear.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/video/2012/nov/22/10cc-im-mandy-fly-me-video

Watsky - Tiny Glowing Screens Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAqVmUciDSc

Katriona Gilmore & jamie Roberts Fleetwood Fair

2-4-6-8 Motorway-Tom Robinson Band http://youtu.be/9x544sygoB4