British Teenagers: Worst ever in history of world? Page 2

Quote: Paul Carroll @ February 13, 2008, 12:45 PM

Me being 18 I feel its my duty to defend the youth on this post. Yes of course there are idiots who cause trouble and maybe the worst teenagers of all time but there are also teenagers who are getting the highest exam results ever. Also surely, there has always been a minority of teenagers that have caused trouble? I also feel that maybe the media aren't helping.

Also Dave, not all scousers are idiots. Yes, Barton and Rooney are but I could pick out two famous people who aren't good role models from any other area in the country.

Good to get that of my chest (I may be completely wrong, but thats my opinion)

Paul!

View original

That's OK Paul - I know.

There have always been good and bad and when I was young - last century - there were always places you had to avoid.

It's just that the worst of them are getting worse.

Quote: Paul Carroll @ February 13, 2008, 12:45 PM

Me being 18 I feel its my duty to defend the youth on this post. Yes of course there are idiots who cause trouble and maybe the worst teenagers of all time but there are also teenagers who are getting the highest exam results ever. Also surely, there has always been a minority of teenagers that have caused trouble? I also feel that maybe the media aren't helping.

Also Dave, not all scousers are idiots. Yes, Barton and Rooney are but I could pick out two famous people who aren't good role models from any other area in the country.

Good to get that of my chest (I may be completely wrong, but thats my opinion)

Paul!

View original

Well done Paul.

As a mummy of two young men I do have a few things to say.

IMO, teenagers are not really any worse now than they were when I was one. They just get more media coverage.
I used to go into empty houses with friends, sit there, drink cider then leave.
A few times a policeman came around & told us to f**koff. Now the kids are done for breaking & entering. My son whacked a lad after he whacked him. When I was a teenager I had several fights. I would go home & nurse my wounds & she would go home & more likely stick a water bottle between her legs. Neither of us went to the police. My son Jack got a call 5 months after his fisty cup as the lad was doing him for assault. (Shouts)5 months later. Jack had to pay him £50. Hmmm Compo I wonder if this has something to do with it.
The main trouble for teenagers is where they can go.
My lads were not allowed to sit on my wall or in my garden & chat. It bothered the neighbours, who called the police. They then moved to the local park. It bothered the neighbours so they called the police. They then found an alleyway. It bothered the police so they moved them on.

This hoodie thing though is quite frankly hysterical. Most kids wear them to keep ther ears warm & as it is fashion. Not because they want to commit crime & not be seen. As far as I am concerned balaclavas are still around, even now, for that. I remember this situation with Jack.

He went into a garden centre with two mates. (To buy fish food for one lads mother) (Well not for her, for her fish)It was during the winter & their hoods were up.
AnyWahey 2 hours later I have a visit from 2 police officers, either side of Jack. I invited said police officers in & made them a cup of tea & they told me through laughing themselves why they were here.
The lads who were (13) had gone into the shop to get said fish food. The old geezer behind the till had told them to put their f**king hoods down, or get out. Jack had said he would put his hood down if the geezer done up his flies (They were apparantly hanging open). Jack's mate asked why he should not wear a hoodie when an old lady in the shop had a wooly hat on. Would she have to take it off.The guy then started grabbing his mate & trying to frog march him out of the shop. In annoyance Jack put his head in a fishbowl & made fish faces at the geezer.
End of.
First off, to get respect you have to give it. If they had asked nicely I am sure all 3 lads would have agreed to take their hoods down. Even if its a ridiculous request.

Teenagers get it harder these days. That is my true honest opinion.

Quote: David Chapman @ February 13, 2008, 11:15 AM

Loveable Scousers? Don't make me laugh.

I understand that scousers resented Bread for portraying them in a bad light. However there was never any real violence.

I just caught part of a progamme about Dangerous Dogs and one bloke who breeds Pit Bulls. He just sneered when they mentioned that they were banned under Dangerous Dogs Act.

The worst example in the public eye is Joey Barton (Newcastle footballer) who assaults people on and off the pitch. He famously stubbed a cigar out in the eye of a young team mate. He makes Rooney look an angel and look at the contempt with which he treats a referees authority. Sneering, snarling and swearing.

PS - sorry to get heavy

View original

Well, I must admit, I'm somewhat shocked and disappointed after reading this, being from Liverpool myself. Why have you singled out Scousers? Is it simply because of Barton (if so, why don't you also have a go at the people from the hometowns of other famous football thugs, e.g. Vinny Jones?), or have you had problems with Scousers yourself?

Quote: Curt @ February 13, 2008, 12:33 PM

I wish I could remember the documentary I saw on the CBC about one particularly dangerous city in England. These teens walking around at night just basically looking to fight people as they proudly showed their 'battle scars". They were all in their early teens though YIKES!
Anyways it was pretty shocking, I don't know how anyone could live in a city like that.

View original

That sounds like a documentary that was on a while ago, about Glasgow.

Quote: Curt @ February 13, 2008, 12:33 PM

I wish I could remember the documentary I saw on the CBC about one particularly dangerous city in England.

View original

Probably Manchester. Or Liverpool.

Quote: Paul Carroll @ February 13, 2008, 12:45 PM

Me being 18 I feel its my duty to defend the youth on this post. Yes of course there are idiots who cause trouble and maybe the worst teenagers of all time but there are also teenagers who are getting the highest exam results ever. Also surely, there has always been a minority of teenagers that have caused trouble? I also feel that maybe the media aren't helping.

View original

Me being 20, I feel it's my duty to overrule you and condemn them. Not all, but many.

Quote: Charley @ February 13, 2008, 2:33 PM

He went into a garden centre with two mates. (To buy fish food for one lads mother) (Well not for her, for her fish)It was during the winter & their hoods were up.
AnyWahey 2 hours later I have a visit from 2 police officers, either side of Jack. I invited said police officers in & made them a cup of tea & they told me through laughing themselves why they were here.
The lads who were (13) had gone into the shop to get said fish food. The old geezer behind the till had told them to put their f**king hoods down, or get out. Jack had said he would put his hood down if the geezer done up his flies (They were apparantly hanging open). Jack's mate asked why he should not wear a hoodie when an old lady in the shop had a wooly hat on. Would she have to take it off.The guy then started grabbing his mate & trying to frog march him out of the shop. In annoyance Jack put his head in a fishbowl & made fish faces at the geezer.
End of.

View original

Quote: catskillz @ February 13, 2008, 2:53 PM

That sounds like a documentary that was on a while ago, about Glasgow.

View original

Ah, that'd make more sense, yes.

Quote: Aaron @ February 13, 2008, 3:03 PM

Probably Manchester. Or Liverpool.

Me being 20, I feel it's my duty to overrule you and condemn them. Not all, but many.

View original

The reason I said it was Glasgow, is that I've seen a documentary on Youtube, which was on Canadian T.V., in which a Canadian camera crew went to Glasgow, and interviewed some of the gangs there.

By the way, Aaron, you said you're scared to even go out of your house in London, right? I doubt this is because you're scared of being attacked by Mancunians and Scousers though, is it? How many teenage deaths caused by shootings were there in London last year? Wasn't it 20-odd? There was 1 in Liverpool, and that was due to an unfortunate ricochet. Also, to my knowledge, I think it was the first teenage-related death caused by shooting, in the city.

Well I'm not actually living in London at the moment. And I didn't say I was scared. In fact, I'm perfectly happy to walk around much of London (admittedly mostly central) in the middle of the night. I find it calming, peaceful.

However, what I think I said was that I find it somewhat unnerving.

(Going out at night in general, not in any specific area, except as noted above.)

In my humble opinion (I have great respect for the thankless task Police Officers do), teenagers are targeted for crime stats.

The whole thing is quite ridiculous to be honest. My friends lad was pulled up for racial abuse in a kebab shop. His parents & him were on holiday when (said abuse)happened. A caretaker from his school insisted it was him though. The fact that they were up in the highlands meant nothing. It eventualy went all the way to court & was thrown out. I mean how can a lad who is having his picture taken on a rock in the highlands, be in his hometown at the same time.

What if that poor lad had not been on holiday at the time. A teenagers word against a school caretaker. Someone that has known him for years.

Quote: Charley @ February 13, 2008, 3:19 PM

In my humble opinion (I have great respect for the thankless task Police Officers do), teenagers are targeted for crime stats.

View original

It's not opinion, it's fact. The Government dictate targets to the police of how many crimes they have to solve, how many bring to court, etc. Remember that 8 year old (?) last year who was sued for criminal damage after grabbing a plastic carrier bag in the playground, and the handles ripped? And keep an eye out for the conviction (or even trial) rates for, I dunno, rapes, for example. Police have to spend their time dealing with minor, trivial 'offences' in order to not lose their jobs. If they have time between charging a 12 year old for writing on the pavement with chalk (blatant graffiti) and bringing criminal charges against an 8 year old for ripping a plastic bag, then they might look into reports of a violent burglary. You never know, they might even have time to respond to 99 calls!

Quote: Charley @ February 13, 2008, 3:25 PM

The whole thing is quite ridiculous to be honest. My friends lad was pulled up for racial abuse in a kebab shop. His parents & him were on holiday when (said abuse)happened. A caretaker from his school insisted it was him though. The fact that they were up in the highlands meant nothing. It eventualy went all the way to court & was thrown out. I mean how can a lad who is having his picture taken on a rock in the highlands, be in his hometown at the same time.

What if that poor lad had not been on holiday at the time. A teenagers word against a school caretaker. Someone that has known him for years.

View original

I read in the paper on Monday (?) about a married, white father-of-two whose rape charge was dropped days before he was due to appear in court. I mean, the victim had made it quite clear that she had been raped by a BLACK man, but y'know, if it was him, it was him!

That red tape shit eh!

I feel so sorry for the youth of today. They have no where to go. They are told what they can or can't wear. Their chances of owning their own home are remote, unless they are incredibly well paid.
They are pulled up for some ridiculous shit. Kids being kids shit.
One lad I know was done for breach of the peace, for kicking a football against a wall. They have little respect for police as they offer none to them.
I know there are some horrific cases out at the moment, but there always have been. I sat next to a chap in school who a year after leaving raped & stabbed a housewife to death.

The bigger criminals, the drug dealers, rapists, robbers etc are left to carry on because the police are too busy pulling up the kids. Lets not forget that they are kids. They have the right to play hop skotch & kick a ball & sit & have a chat. If they are going to be treated as more than just kids what the f**k does society expect.

By the way, speaking of London, my Dad was working down there a couple of years ago, and was glassed in the face early one morning, when waiting at a bus stop. Two blokes in their mid-20s, who looked like they were returning home from having been out all night, walked past him, and one, who was carrying a pint glass, started trying to scare him, by pretending to glass him. Well, my Dad, though almost 60 at the time, and only 5ft 5" tall, is ex-army, and he defended himself, pushing the bloke's arm away. This annoyed the bloke and his mate, and before he knew it, my Dad was being held in a bear-hug, from behind, by one of them, while the other one tried to glass him for real. My Dad managed to drop to the ground, and started rolling around with the bloke who was holding him, then the other bloke glassed him in the side of his face and neck, and they ran off. He was pouring with blood, and phoned an ambulance, which took him to hospital, where he had to have a load of stitches.

I only mentioned this because Liverpool was mentioned. I'd never slag off London because this happened down there. London is my favourite city in the world. In fact, I've probably had better times there than I've had in Liverpool, because the nightlife down there is so good.

Catskillz, were about in liverpool you from mate?

Well I think its not as safe to walk around at night as it used to be in most areas.

People blame the parenting, which is right to a degree but unfair on some as it doesn't matter how good you've brought up your kid, if he's surrounded by other kids who have been brought up bad then its hard not to be influenced by them.

There seems to be more access to drugs, weapons, and alcohol than I remember which doesn't help.

ON the Liverpool thing, I used to always think scousers were dodgy from when I was growing up. I had to go there one day for work and felt like I was being forced there against my will. When I got there I thought the place was really nice and the people were really warm and friendly with a cracking sense of humour. True I didn't go to the bad areas but every place has those. So I don't agree with the stereotype, even after experiencing the local 'parking police', you know a hoodie coming up to you and saying 'Give us a quid and I'll make sure notin happens to your car'

Did you pay them?!

Quote: Paul Carroll @ February 13, 2008, 4:13 PM

Catskillz, were about in liverpool you from mate?

View original

I'm from Crosby. Where are you from?

I live in the posh part of Liverpool, Kirkby. lol classy I know!P.S. I also live in Walton at the weekends.